forgotoldacc
11 hours ago
Looking at the scale of a few years, the dollar has been insanely overvalued post-COVID.
Historically, the euro has generally been a good bit more valuable than the dollar. But in 2022, the dollar was more valuable than the euro at a point. Recently it's been bouncing around at nearly 1 euro=1 dollar.
Then there's the yen. Used to bounce around between 1 dollar = 100~110 yen. Recently reached 1 dollar = 162 yen.
The dollar losing its value is a return to the pre-covid norm. Lots of countries pumped money into the US to make money off skyrocketing stocks and high interest rates, and now they're pulling it back into their countries. It's a high that can't last forever. And if it did last forever, that would not be good for the world as a whole since it would mean every country is supporting the US at the cost of devaluing themselves.
hnlmorg
11 hours ago
I think the bigger problem is the reason why people are pulling back their money from US markets.
AlecSchueler
2 hours ago
It's kind of jaw dropping to see people here continually avoid the elephant in the room, same thing in discussions about Tesla sales.
mindslight
an hour ago
The points avoiding the elephant in the room are basically deliberate, in support of the elephant. They think the elephant is some good thing that is going to destroy the woke, or inflation, or the immigrants, or whatever the hypocritical bogeyman is next week. But it is certainly not poised to destroy them, because they are the true patriotic Americans, don't you know. It is only everything else about this country that is wrong. And as soon as the elephant is done wrecking everything that is bad, their own true brilliance will be allowed to blossom. Or at least so they seem to think.
dismalaf
9 hours ago
US markets have been flying high since COVID. Much more than other countries' markets. Why not take profit when US markets + dollar is at a high?
more_corn
8 hours ago
Why are you ignoring the real reason?
moi2388
8 hours ago
Because emotions are terrible investment strategies
dismalaf
3 hours ago
And what do you think the real reason is?
wqaatwt
2 hours ago
Economic instability and uncertainty. How high it is compared to other markets is debatable it has increased significantly this year due obvious reasons, though
presentation
8 hours ago
The yen has other reasons to be weak though, namely that Japan barely increased interest rates as compared to the US.
RickJWagner
4 hours ago
If a dollar used to equal 100 yen, and now the dollar is worth 162 yen, isn’t that moving opposite to the stated direction?
koliber
6 hours ago
Donald Trump has stated that he wants to weaken the dollar. It seems that he is succeeding.
My guess is that he wants to make it more attractive when it comes time to refinance the large portion of American long-term debt. He also wants to keep the interest rates low for the same reason.
My questions is: What is causing the actual slide? The concrete mechanics and motivations that are causing people to sell USD.
ethbr1
3 hours ago
Devaluing the dollar is 100% the goal. It's literally noted as a key component in what the people running US trade policy now said they wanted to do, before joining government.
It has the side effect of boosting nominal investment value (even if real value stays flat or decreases), maintaining political support from people who can't do math. The numbers continue to look good, but outcomes worsen.
There are two flies in this ointment: international capital response and inflation.
The latter is why Trump has been spending political capital on demonizing the Fed and Powell. The house of cards collapses if actual inflation bites and reveals the game.
As to the former, it's tough to look at the situation and see US debt / equities as attractive as they once were:
1. Unsustainable US budget deficits
2. Political threats against the US central bank
3. Tariffs
4. Decreased immigration and worsening demographics
pandaman
3 hours ago
These do not explain how DXY[1] had been rallying up and started falling at the end of September 2022. At that time, if you don't recall, Trump was facing prison time and the US government was in the reliable hands of the most popular president ever with his cabinet of brilliant minds.
1. https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/TVC-DXY/?timeframe=60M
ethbr1
16 minutes ago
Or, take a look at measures objectively instead of predeciding whose side you want to be on.
corimaith
9 hours ago
>it would mean every country is supporting the US at the cost of devaluing themselves.
That's what they want as export based economies.
forgotoldacc
9 hours ago
Not when you get to the point where your currency is so devalued that importing raw materials necessary for those exports becomes expensive, and basics like food and fuel become unaffordable for locals, as is the case in Japan.
A balance is necessary, and things have been off balance recently.
littlestymaar
10 hours ago
> Historically, the euro has generally been a good bit more valuable than the dollar. But in 2022, the dollar was more valuable than the euro at a point
That's what inflation does.
People are routinely taught that inflation is the “decline of value of money”, but that's not the reality. Inflation is just the increase in consumer price, which is perceived as a decline in the relative value of the money, but its absolute value on foreign markets isn't (directly) affected by inflation.
And when the Central bank raise the interest rate to cool the economy down and temper inflation, then the absolute value of the money rises (because the higher the interest rates, the pricier the currency on the FX market). This increase in the currency value in turn also helps fighting inflation because it lowers the cost of imported goods.
So, indirectly, because of the central bank's reaction, inflation is actually increasing the absolute value of money, and this is what we saw in 2022 when the Fed raised the interest rates 9 month or so before the ECB start doing the same (because the inflation came in advance for the US compared to EU).
timewizard
10 hours ago
> the dollar has been insanely overvalued post-COVID.
That's an odd way of saying the US doubled it's federal budget from $3T to $6T in response to COVID and has now ensconced this pork further into law. Under a "republican" administration, no less.
> The dollar losing its value is a return to the pre-covid norm.
Which is to say that even $3T contained an unjustified amount of debt spending just not as obscene as it is today.
> It's a high that can't last forever.
That's the "big beautiful bill" for ya.
throw101010
10 hours ago
> Under a "republican" administration, no less.
Are you under the impression that this is surprising? Republicans are consistently the ones spending more when they are in power. It's time to dispel this myth that they are fiscally "conservative", they have presented more unbalanced/defficitary budgets than Democrats and the latter in recent memories are the only ones who managed to present budget with surpluses, under Clinton.
mensetmanusman
7 hours ago
It is a myth, there are only a few Republicans that organize around the concept of spending less.
Both sides of the gerontocracy are happy to improve their lives while not planting seeds for the future.
patchule
6 hours ago
One side of the gerontocracy cut Medicaid. A big win for young people. Arguably tax cuts benefit young people too, since young people rely less on Medicare/social security, which is most of the budget and because we know kids these days are much better invested (and wealthier) than prior cohorts according to various reports. Inflationary policy like tax cuts may benefit young people at expense to old people.
fakedang
9 hours ago
It's fairly obvious the reason he put it in quotes was because the Republicans and conservative movements claim to be all about "fiscal prudence and discipline", when in reality they're the ones responsible for the ballooning deficit.
AlecSchueler
an hour ago
It wasn't at all obvious if it was ironically poking fun at that claim or that they genuinely believed it.
user
15 minutes ago
timewizard
9 hours ago
Corruption has been compounding. Malicious business interests don't actually care which party has power. Just that they have access. It's telling that you have to reach back 30 years to find an example where the budget was balanced for one single year.
msgodel
7 hours ago
European interest rates are crazy low, that's why.
Cthulhu_
6 hours ago
Lower than their 2024 peak, but still much higher than before 2022 where for a long period it was at 0% or even negative interest (apparently, I don't know much about these things). It's at 2% or 2.4% at the moment, last time it was around that was in 2008. See https://www.ecb.europa.eu/stats/policy_and_exchange_rates/ke...
But I'm no economist and don't know what these numbers mean or what the consequences are.
wqaatwt
2 hours ago
In general lower interest rates would cause your currency to depreciate.
wqaatwt
2 hours ago
Which would mean that the Euro would depreciate significantly against the dollar under normal circumstances.
Yet the Euro increased by > 10% despite the ECB cutting the rates quite significantly. Imagine how low the dollar would go if the Fed listened to Trump and cut to 1%..