NYT to start searching deleted ChatGPT logs after beating OpenAI in court

45 pointsposted 19 hours ago
by miles

13 Comments

bn-l

3 hours ago

> Instead, only a small sample of the data will likely be accessed, based on keywords that OpenAI and news plaintiffs agree on. That data will remain on OpenAI's servers, where it will be anonymized, and it will likely never be directly produced to plaintiffs.

I’m glad about this detail.

sandspar

13 hours ago

What is the NYT's stance here? Is it pure spite? I guess their lawyers told them this is the winning move, and perhaps it is. But it just seems so blatantly wrong.

If you look at Reddit's r/ChatGPT, you'll quickly notice that the median use of ChatGPT is for therapy.

Is the NYT really ok with combing through people's therapy logs?

tashoecraft

4 hours ago

I find it interesting you are blaming the NYT on this and not ChatGPT for keeping these logs in the first place. If openAI didn't keep logs, then there would be nothing to search, and a more harmful actor couldn't accomplish something far more nefarious. Saying that there could be confidential information in the logs, so that means we shouldn't access it, should also mean the logs shouldn't be kept.

nrds

3 hours ago

As explained in literally the first paragraph of TFA, the court ordered openai to start keeping these logs. They didn't do it by choice.

user

4 hours ago

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goatlover

12 hours ago

Is there an expectation of privacy using ChatGPT? Do users think nobody is ever going to be looking at their logs?

conception

11 hours ago

If you are a paying member and are not sharing prompts, yes?

noman-land

6 hours ago

Stop having this expectation. It's factually incorrect.

edgineer

4 hours ago

When my expectation of privacy is violated, I'll have learned a little more about such violations, but I won't drop my expectation not to be violated.

edgineer

4 hours ago

What I mean is there are two meanings to "expectation of privacy": the Bayesian prior, and the legal stance. I have an expectation of privacy in my home but I still close the shades.

jaimex2

13 hours ago

They don't care. This is purely for a business upper hand.

OpenAI should probably encrypt the chats and lock itself out going forward. Collect whatever metrics they need on the fly before locking.

heavyset_go

13 hours ago

OpenAI would never lock themselves out of free training data.

vintermann

9 hours ago

Now is the time to go have a chat with ChatGPT about how much NYT sucks. Maybe it can help come up with insulting things to call their lawyers too.