Ask HN: Facing unemployment – what now?

49 pointsposted 9 months ago
by octo888

Item id: 44008554

10 Comments

nico

9 months ago

I can relate, been in a very similar situation

Some recommendations: take care of yourself, it might feel like a chore, but it’s important. Personally, exercising regularly (15-45 min mon-fri) helped me get out of a very long rut

Also, pace yourself, but keep going, try to apply to 1-2 jobs every day to keep consistency

If/when you are out of a job, try to keep a project going that makes you feel productive, even if you are not making money, feeling like you got something done makes a huge difference

Edit: use ChatGPT voice mode on your phone to prepare for interviews, it’s pretty good at role playing, coaching and encouraging

A bit of a plug: I built this command line tool that uses AI to help you find jobs and track applications - https://github.com/nicobrenner/commandjobs

Feel free to use it, and would me more than happy if you want to contribute or collaborate on it

Finally, a lot of people go through what you are going through, especially people in the spectrum. Try to stay connected to friends, family, loved ones, or even join a group related to one of your interests

Good luck and contact me via GitHub if you want to talk in more detail about anything

chipsrafferty

9 months ago

I'm kinda in a similar situation. ADHD, not autism, but I've struggled to find a job I enjoy and thus struggled to achieve anything impressive in my career. Almost 30. I feel like so many people younger than me have accomplished much more.

Also disillusioned with corporate tech and deleted my LinkedIn. I hate networking and my only network is my (actually quite) extensive and good college network.

I'm actually great at interviews generally though I've become less confident over time as I don't have many impressive achievements to brag about and the longer your career goes on and you've just "made websites and apps" every year the harder it is to defend increasingly senior positions.

Also feeling burnt out and I consider myself a generalist with no amazingly specific skills. Mostly js/ts, web dev, react. Basically the most common shit, I know it best, so nothing makes me stand out.

I don't have any advice, just wanted to share you're not alone in feeling these things.

w10-1

9 months ago

First, I wouldn't give up on the work relationships. Even if you damaged them, it's good practice and good karma to try to make amends; people really appreciate others reforming, and they will take you seriously as a person if you do. And even if they balk, you tried, and you can leave with clean hands and new life lessons. But most of all, the regularity of work and home is a good basis for making other life changes. Unemployment changes economic and social and perhaps home context, making it mostly a time to hold things constant to balance the equation; any change is more forced than elected. Better to hold employment but start changing what you want.

Ok, not to duck the hypothetical, assuming you do leave (and to add to the other good advice here)...

We tend to focus on the things we can control, and things we understand; we stay in a context. A job change is a chance not to be stuck in that mode.

The biggest difference in work latitude is the overall need and value flow. It's just easier to be on a big river than a tiny stream, modulo competition. So consider the world in terms on value-flow and competition. E.g., tech value flows can be large but volatile, and competition includes outsourcing and automation on top of new grads. In-person health care services require long credentialing but then are protected by those credentials and the difficulty of automation; but because it's in-person, the value is hard to scale unless you're a rainmaker (i.e., a doctor). And so on.

A job change is also a chance to reset your life. Yes, try exercise and address some other self- and social-debt, but don't load yourself with obligations. The key thing is values, how you feel, and your liveliness relative to life. It'd be a good sign when there's a nice view, and you really feel it, without distraction from your psycho-social-economic context. When you discover your values, you pretty naturally start working on them and work isn't hard.

gary17the

9 months ago

> I haven’t interviewed in years and get extremely anxious in interviews.

If you are a programmer, the hiring process these days is an unbelievable screw-up with no shred of professionalism whatsoever in many, if not most, cases. Either make a conscious effort not to let it get under your skin or start only with job offers that specifically outline the hiring process as one with a take-home coding assignment, as opposed to all the pair-programming or white-boarding nonsense. Otherwise, it will hurt and you will get discouraged. Also, consider starting to build up reputation on Upwork, etc. as a freelancer. As you gain more clients down the line, you can always just drop the ones you do not enjoy working for.

lubujackson

9 months ago

I went through this exact trajectory last year. Mid-40s with added weight of having a family as a sole earner, and feeling burnout for the first time in my life.

Things to do before you leave your current job: - make LinkedIn connections with all your co-workers. Generally co-workers accept those, even if they don't think you're great. The reason for this is to increase your number of "1st/2nd/3rd connections" on LinkedIn. Which likely doesn't matter, but hey why not. - Depending on where you live, you may be able to get unemployment if you quit or fired but not the other way around. So figure that out, as well as what health care looks like for you and plan accordingly. - Update your resume with your current projects etc. if you haven't done that lately.

Now once you are free of your current job, don't do any coding for a few months. No interview prep, no learning AI, none of it. Exercise and eat right, as others have said. Have a routine and maybe explore those 2 non-tech things.

But give yourself a calendar and come back to things after you've let the burnout fade a bit. Don't rush back after a month because you start to get anxious - your body physically needs to recover.

At this point, like it our not, I'd spend time getting comfortable with Cursor and vibe coding tools. Build a thing, see how it works, play around. You won't be able to avoid AI so see how it can help you with what you already know how to do and where it can't help.

If you suck at interviews and leet coding, don't worry about it. Take some interviews, bomb them. The goal is to develop a thicker skin, which is the first step. Also, if a company's hiring culture is steeped in crap you hate, you will probably hate the job anyway. If they as you to do a weekend project, prefer to do that. That is likely where you will shine. Plus, it is a good way to practice when unemployed.

Lastly, lean into your strengths - generalists and graybeards tend to be great at startups because they can pump things out and understand the big picture. Look for roles on sites like WellFound rather than LinkedIn. If you use LinkedIn, really only jobs through recruiters bear fruit nowadays.

nuancebydefault

9 months ago

Sounds like you need a break of 3 months to half a year, where you don't think about work. Do stuff that gives you energy. Hiking in nature, visit friends, make or listen to music. Do meditation (just search for a meditation audio/video on YouTube if you do not know where to start. If you can afford it, seek professional counseling. Make sure to exercise or at least walk a lot. Write regularly in a journal what gave energy, what took energy and how you are feeling. Keep in touch with family and friends. Good luck!

anigbrowl

9 months ago

Pick up an exercise program and give it 5-10 hours a week. It'll give you routine, non-critical goals that you can just plod toward even on days you don't feel like it (but you'll feel better afterward), improve your general health, and provide you with a topic for small talk. Yes, pursue your non-tech interests.

kccqzy

9 months ago

You are way too pessimistic. It would help if you find ways to make yourself more optimistic, whether that's through a long break or exercise or nature or your hobbies. I suggest starting with a long break.

> I’m 40.

If you think that's too old, no it's not. My manager is older than that when he got the current job.

> I struggle with networking, so I have no professional connections.

If you have coworkers you have professional connections.

> My savings can last about two year

That's not bad at all. Feel free to spend a half year to one year taking a break and the rest of the time preparing your next steps.

> I haven’t interviewed in years and get extremely anxious in interviews.

You need to be more confident in yourself. Interviewing is a skill that can be learned. Not being anxious also can be learned.

octo888

9 months ago

I go through ups and downs of positivity - it's been a life-long struggle. I wish I could flip it on as easy as firing up the laptop!

Obviously, right now, it's a bit of a difficult time...

> You need to be more confident in yourself

Again, I go through periods. Some days I look in the mirror and I think: you're going to smash it today. Others, I don't like to look in the mirror

I referenced some health/body challenges - confidence is a big reason I want to work on those issues.

> Not being anxious also can be learned

For sure. Just need to work on that