Scientists claim to have found colour no one has seen before

46 pointsposted 10 months ago
by donatj

24 Comments

mrob

10 months ago

Anybody who's taken psychedelic drugs has likely seen this color already. Overlapping sensitivity of the cone cells doesn't matter when the image is generated without light. Psychedelic visuals are full of impossibly saturated colors.

You can also approximate this effect by tiring out some of the cone cells by staring at a bright area of saturated color, then looking at a different color. See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_color#Chimerical_co...

JKCalhoun

10 months ago

I was going to suggest perhaps auras — people who see these (associated with migraines).

perihelions

10 months ago

This is fascinating. I didn't realize there are so few cone cells, that you can step through literally *all* of them with a digital controller.

- "These laser microdoses are delivered at a rate of 10⁵ per second to a population of 10³ cones[...] individually fiber-coupled acousto-optic modulator that can modulate laser intensity up to 50 MHz[...] This laser spot is scanned in a raster pattern over a 0.9° square field of view using orthogonally oriented resonant and galvo mirrors, with a frame resolution of 512 × 256 pixels and a frame rate of 60 Hz..."

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adu1052

zdimension

10 months ago

About 90 millions rods vs 6 millions cones. Sometimes I'm surprised we can even see detail at all. Though it certainly helps that they're not uniformly distributed; most cones are in the macula, around the middle of the back of the eye. Still, it's not a lot.

woleium

10 months ago

And within the macula, the red and green are generally towards the centre and the blue are generally towards the edge. This helps prevent the red shift problem photographs with high contrast changes sometimes get.

layer8

10 months ago

They didn’t literally step through all of them though (only a patch “about twice the size of a full moon”), and I’m not sure if they even stimulated all M cones within that patch.

davidmurdoch

10 months ago

Its be neat to incorporate this into a AR headset. They could potentially map non-visual wavelengths to new colors (or is just the one possible?). Probably never going to be practical due to the precision it requires, but imagine seeing actual colors with IR/XRAY/UV overlayed on to in a new color!

Reminds me of the Cylon in Battlestar Galactica who hated his creators for giving him senses limited to human limits when machines could do so much more.

Someone should at the least make a Sci Fi movie with this idea as a plot device.

karaterobot

10 months ago

My knowledge of color vision is hand-wavey. This isn't artificially simulated (or stimulated) tetrachromacy, right?

patrickmay

10 months ago

Octarine?

rcarmo

10 months ago

I came here just for this. Terry Pratchett would have a field day…

etiam

10 months ago

I think they'd have to hit a different part of the CNS for that. :)

user

10 months ago

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zug_zug

10 months ago

Cool, but I wish it said how the participants subjectively would have described the experience.

bitwize

10 months ago

They saw a hooloovoo -- a super-intelligent shade of blue!

coolThingsFirst

10 months ago

This is always weird. Like the environment is basically that which can be interpreted by sense. So then what is base reality and does it even exist?

user

10 months ago

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