Hunter-gatherer sea voyages extended to remotest Mediterranean islands

44 pointsposted 10 months ago
by rntn

16 Comments

arbuge

10 months ago

I'm from Malta. It's dead center in the Mediterranean sea, just 60 miles off the coast of Sicily, and always has been a melting point of cultures from around the Mediterranean as a result. This is literally the first time in my life I've heard it described as remote.

apercu

10 months ago

And during ice ages, even closer to continental settlements. I think I remember (speculation?)that there might have even been a land bridge to Sicily?

kjkjadksj

10 months ago

60 miles off the coast during premodern times seems pretty remote to me. How long would that be on makeshift raft an oar? A days journey or longer with smooth seas?

ch4s3

10 months ago

The early European hunter-gatherers uses something like dugout canoes, and examples dating back 7k years have been found in Italy. Experienced paddlers with good wind and current conditions could cover 60 miles in about a day. The 90 miles form Sicily to Tunisia is also possible to cover in such a canoe, and DNA form skeletal remains does indeed show that people made the journey.

brandall10

10 months ago

Roughly 40-60k years ago a similar length journey was likely made from Timor to Australia, fwiw.

ch4s3

10 months ago

Yeah simple canoes are probably quite easy to figure out.

kjkjadksj

10 months ago

Hard to be successful though given the isolation in Australia after. Only has to work once I guess.

throw0101a

10 months ago

For the very early history of the Med—geological to 500 BC—I found the book The Making of the Middle Sea by Cyprian Broodbank to be an interesting read; ToC:

> One: A Barbarian History • Two: Provocative Places • Three: The Speciating Sea (1.8 million – 50,000 years ago) • Four: A Cold Coming We Had of It (50,000 years ago – 10,000 BC) • Five: Brave New Worlds (10,000 –5500 BC) • Six: How It Might Have Been (5500 – 3500 BC) • Seven: The Devil and the Deep Blue Sea (3500 – 2200 BC) • Eight: Pomp and Circumstance (2200 – 1300 BC) • Nine: From Sea to Shining Sea (1300 – 800 BC) • Ten: The End of the Beginning (800 – 500 BC) • Eleven: De Profundis

* https://thamesandhudson.com/the-making-of-the-middle-sea-978...

* https://archive.org/details/makingofmiddlese0000broo

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprian_Broodbank

yannis

10 months ago

Thanks, I read the book and yes it is interesting an with a well written narrative.

AnimalMuppet

10 months ago

Unanswered (and probably unanswerable) question: Was it deliberate? Or did they get blown off course while trying to go somewhere much shorter, and wind up hitting Malta before they sank or hit somewhere else?

potato3732842

10 months ago

You can see Malta from Sicily if conditions are just right. There's zero chance the inhabitants didn't know there was something there, just a matter of time until someone decides to make the trip.

deepsun

10 months ago

Or deliberately blown off to a random place.

davidw

10 months ago

"Gilgamesh's Island"