Seoul blanketed by heaviest November snow on record

37 pointsposted 11 hours ago
by Brajeshwar

12 Comments

bane

9 hours ago

Seoul has a seasonality remarkably similar to the Virginia-New York swath of the United States -- with slightly colder winters and slightly warmer summers due to a higher general humidity on the peninsula.

However, it's useful to also understand that Seoul is at almost the exact same latitude as Seville in the south of Spain -- just a couple hours by car to the coast where you can see North Africa. The last time Seville even had a covering of snow was in 1954, and the last time it snowed at all was in 2010.

Winter in Korea is beautiful, it gets cold enough for lakes and rivers to freeze over, and the mountainsides, nearly ever present display even the smallest dusting of snow as a lovely blanket intermixed with wintered trees. It doesn't get so brutally cold that it's painful to be outside, so it generally makes it enjoyable.

The cities can be a challenge, the hilly landscape makes everything slippery. The construction of buildings is often done without any central heating and the ground levels of mixed-use and commercial buildings are often entirely unheated. I've stepped into more than one public restroom where the floor was entirely covered in a sheet of frozen ice as the cleaning staff did their duties, and the result of their work was temporarily memorialized in the cold air.

Being a soup heavy culture, there are few joys better than walking off the street into a 칼국수 noodle shop and sitting down with a giant bowl of steaming soup. Temporarily warmed from the inside out, you are ready to adventure back to your daily tasks in the city.

fidotron

8 hours ago

> The construction of buildings is often done without any central heating

This seems incredible for a country that is so proud of ondol https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ondol

karmakaze

4 hours ago

It was so odd when I visited in 1998 that there were many tv commercials for carpeting and yet hardly anyone had carpets. Heated floors are so great, but great for sound absorption. Everyone just learns to live with lots of noise like in the city itself.

taneq

8 hours ago

The U.S. is (justifiably) proud of sending astronauts to the moon, despite it being far from ubiquitous.

wrp

9 hours ago

Busan is also very nice in winter. Although it's cold, humidity is low and most days are sunny. In summer, though, I prefer to be just about anywhere else.

dmurray

8 hours ago

This doesn't seem newsworthy outside Korea. We see a lot of headlines like this - are they indicative of climate change?

There are twelve months in the year and at least four directions to report weather extremes (hottest, coldest, wettest, driest - there's also windiest and snowiest but let's lump them in with the other extremes). That's 50 chances per year for any given area to have its "most X month on record". Reliable weather records go back 100 years, give or take, so any place should experience its "most extreme month on record" approximately every two years.

There are 50 cities as big as 0.75 Seouls [0] or bigger. So worldwide, "megacity has 100-year weather event" comes up every two weeks.

Expand the number of weather axes, relax the definition of a megacity, or realise that many of these places only have 50 years of good record-keeping...pretty soon you can have this headline every two days.

I'm not trying to downplay climate change. I'm just saying you won't find it in these headlines. If you look at the number of places with the most extreme year on record, or model average air or sea temperatures over time, you can find more compelling evidence there.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities

tzs

6 hours ago

Note that if the climate at a place isn't changing we'd expect new records for a given thing to become less frequent over time. For example suppose you had something where it follows a normal distribution with a mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 5. I generated 10 million random numbers with that distribution and noted whenever I got a new record high.

The intervals between records were 1, 1, 2, 1, 5, 36, 219, 999, 2558, 21780, 397, 50360, 73288, 200951, 652234, 954240, 547715, 3783984, and 1641056.

dmurray

6 hours ago

This is both completely true and completely nonsense in the context.

If the numbers are independent, no matter what the distribution, the odds of the nth measurement being a record setter is 1/n. And as above, if you've measured 100 Novembers, the odds of the 100th being the record wettest are 1/100.

taneq

8 hours ago

Sounds like one of those polar vortex things: https://www.severe-weather.eu/long-range-2/early-data-weak-p...

(Air current around the poles contains the coldest air at the poles, this is destabilised by warmer overall temperatures leading to that cold air escaping and bringing cold snaps to random areas further from the poles.)

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