rdm_blackhole
11 hours ago
I don't mean this in bad way but these COP conferences really don't make sense.
Each time we have the leaders on every country saying that this time for real they are going to stick with the plan and lower their emissions. Yet according to this link: https://climateactiontracker.org/publications/the-climate-cr... The progress on the already agreed targets has been lacking.
It's like having a meeting about a project whose deadline was 3 weeks ago and having your team tell you that the new deadline 2 days from now will for sure be met this time.
Countries keep agreeing to new targets that are even more ambitious than the previous unmet targets. It's not as if just publishing the new targets will make the old targets much more achievable.
Make it make sense.
highwaylights
9 hours ago
> Make it make sense.
Since you asked:
It's like having a meeting about a project whose deadline was 3 weeks ago and the team really cares about making a success of it, but the finance department has told the board privately that if the project is a success it would make most of the rest of their incredibly lucrative business obsolete, so now they need to figure out how to make the project fail slowly in a way that makes it seem to the team that they're trying their best so they don't get the blame for it afterwards.
tldr; [thisisfine.gif]
rdm_blackhole
5 hours ago
> It's like having a meeting about a project whose deadline was 3 weeks ago and the team really cares about making a success of it, but the finance department has told the board privately that if the project is a success it would make most of the rest of their incredibly lucrative business obsolete, so now they need to figure out how to make the project fail slowly in a way that makes it seem to the team that they're trying their best so they don't get the blame for it afterwards.
I disagree with you.
The "team" as you put it does not care about making it a success as we have seen in the last decade. Germany closing it's nuclear reactors and replacing them with Russian gas plants, France pushing diesel engines up until the end of the 2010s and marketing them as a safer alternative to other ICE engines, the list goes on and on with governments doing stupid things after stupid things.
Who is the finance department in this case? the corporations? The oil producers? Because that is not very clear to me.
heresie-dabord
7 hours ago
To put it in Roddenberrian terms (where the Federation Finance Department was never discussed), it's as though the heroic Captain of the Enterprise is ordering the Chief Engineer to replace the propulsion system because its emissions are fouling the Life Support System with toxins.
"Mister, we need to protect of the lives of the crew and sustain the mission!"
"Ah, nyet Captain, I am safe down here so far, maybe we replace you instead."
asdf123qweasd
9 hours ago
The alternatives is planning for the max disaster- and that means ordering and storing coffins in bulk. We could get a pretty good deal if we order NOW.
rdm_blackhole
5 hours ago
I am sorry I am not sure I understand what you mean by your comment.
newsclues
10 hours ago
They go there to make fossil fuel deals, environmental protection is just the fake messaging for the proletariat.
user
11 hours ago
brabel
11 hours ago
There's pressure from your peers to meet deadlines you have agreed upon, though some countries have the excuse that because the party in Government changes every 4 years, they didn't really agree to anything :/
What would you suggest that they should do instead of setting goals?
rdm_blackhole
11 hours ago
> There's pressure from your peers to meet deadlines you have agreed upon
That is my point exactly, most countries have agreed to targets and deadlines that they have not met either through inaction or something else entirely.
So what is the point of the new targets if the old targets have not been met yet?
> What would you suggest that they should do instead of setting goals?
How about meeting the previous targets before setting new ones? Otherwise you just loose credibility.
elashri
11 hours ago
> though some countries have the excuse that because the party in Government changes every 4 years, they didn't really agree to anything :/
I mean the agreement is between the countries and not ruling regimes/parties. I would find it hard to assume that a diplomat will say we didn't agree on anything, this was previous government to be very appealing argument. Although there are details like in the US getting back on their pledges and who can say something. But that's more of power dynamics and not actual argument. Otherwise these countries engaged in decades long agreements with many parties (even international agreements) without problems.