100ideas
7 months ago
Very interesting comments and moderation discussion on this article.
h4ch1
7 months ago
Decent article, why the need for someone to pick up the pitchfork and emphasize their moral compass publicly like this? The comment and ensuing discussion is so pointless.
no_wizard
7 months ago
Why do we pretend that these things don’t matter? Why should we?
Why in the norm to ignore these issues - there by perpetuating them because they face no consequences - rather than pointing them out?
Justine did write openly on the web about their prejudices and never even apologized let alone showed in anyway evolution away from fascist leaning and prejudiced politics
spacechild1
7 months ago
I didn't know about Justine's politics and I'm glad I do now. She is definitely not someone I would want to be associated with, unless she clearly distanced herself from these - in my opinion - deeply problematic and disturbing views.
EDIT: That being said, I think it should still be possible to discuss her technical contributions in some form. It's basically the old question as to which extend you can separate the work from the author.
lelanthran
7 months ago
I think I am missing a lot of context in this thread - I have no idea what any of the ancestral comments are talking about :-(
no_wizard
7 months ago
Its in regards to the discussions taking place in this thread: https://lwn.net/Articles/998196/
incrudible
7 months ago
I fail to see anything of substance here, seems to be some person with a chip on their shoulder. Apparently the word cosmopolitan is a derogatory dog whistle for Jewish person, but why would an antisemite name their own work after something they do not like?
AlotOfReading
7 months ago
Just to be clear I'm not talking about Justine here and I consider the project to be well within the normal meaning of "cosmopolitan", but dogwhistle names are absolutely a thing antisemites do.
01HNNWZ0MV43FF
7 months ago
I did the same for a different political issue once, I just thought it was funny
erik_seaberg
7 months ago
It preserves HN and LWN as useful forums for purely technical discussions with high signal/noise, basically. From https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html :
> Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity.
no_wizard
7 months ago
The spirit of this and its practicality in every case isn’t the same thing at all.
I don’t think a supposedly meritocratic community would want to associate with racist or prejudiced ideas that by their very nature fly in the face of this
IncreasePosts
7 months ago
Please tell me how it matters.
What are you arguing here? Should no one use APE? Should people use APE but just feel bad every time they do? Should people use APE but never write about it for fear of aggrandizing the author?
user
7 months ago
Brian_K_White
7 months ago
I think this point was valid: "she doesn't "stick to the technology""
The tech is cool. But the person who made it kicks puppies. You don't care? Well I do.
VyseofArcadia
7 months ago
Why?
This makes sense in the case of, for example, a bestselling author who kicks puppies. Purchasing books by this author means you are giving them money, if indirectly, and thus to some degree subsidizing their puppy kicking habit.
That I can determine using APE gives the original author nothing.
SanjayMehta
7 months ago
Werner von Braun comes to mind.
yawpitch
7 months ago
Wait, Werner von Braun kicked puppies?
cbm-vic-20
7 months ago
SS-Sturmbannführer von Braun, at best, looked away from the labor situation at the Mittelwerk complex that was building his rockets.
yawpitch
7 months ago
Yeah, sorry, I know that particular fascist’s history, but apparently sarcasm doesn’t drip as heavily on the Internet as I thought.
eesmith
7 months ago
Say a fan of ReiserFS, without 'knowledge or opinion of Hans' https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42115276
In general, I've noticed that people like to kick the people with least power or privilege, which often means women are targeted as they tend to have the least power and privilege.
Oh, a BigTech company is evil, with CO2 demands that will kill the planet, support for genocide, and developing mass surveillance to improve their bottom line? Not a problem! Look at all the cool tech toys they have!
Someone develops cool tech toys but has horrible personal opinions? Keep him around as the Chief GNUissance and invite him to all the conferences because he didn't do anything except express opinions, but pounce on her whenever people mention her toys, because of her opinions.
Brian_K_White
7 months ago
This is a very confused comment.
Did you even read that post of mine that you searched up for some reason? What do you imagine you found there?
And keep who around as cheif gnussance? Doesn't that usually refer to Stallman? Do you think Stallman is the same as either Reiser or Tunney?
And who is pouncing on anyone exacly? No one is doing violence on Tunney, nor advocating it. They just opt out of lionizing her, and for a reason she creates herself.
Why do you seem to be so scandalized at holding someone accountable for their opinions? Did you not know that some opinions are not neutral or harmless? No one cares about her opinion about tea vs coffee.
Personally I don't actually even hate her. She says so many different conflicting things that you can't take anything quite fully seriously, including the worst bits, because 10 minutes earlier on some other site she probably said something opposite, and I frankly agree with about half of it.
But you can't ignore the worst bits either because some things you don't get to say without consequence.
And one thing that IS consistent is that she does it on purpose and explicitly, by her own admission, gets off on making everyone else crazy. Not just gets off on being smarter or righter, but specifically on making someone else upset for no other purpose than to laugh at that.
I've known a hundred people like that. Most were 12-22 year old boys, and at least half of those eventually outgrew that phase, and even those that never did are mostly harmless. So I say she's not evil, she's just a garden variety douchebag.
Someone who explicitly prides herself on violating everyone else's feelings, and who explicitly preaches that everyone else needs to grow a thicker skin, cannot possibly at the same time have any problem with something as insignificant as being called an asshole.
IncreasePosts
7 months ago
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