righthand
a year ago
If I can run my own instance can they really promise that?
They may not but the AI companies will. Seems like an easy promise to keep is all.
superfrank
a year ago
> Other companies could still potentially scrape your Bluesky posts for training. Bluesky’s robots.txt doesn’t exclude crawlers from Google, OpenAI, or others, meaning those companies may crawl Bluesky data. “Bluesky is an open and public social network, much like websites on the Internet itself,” spokesperson Emily Liu tells The Verge. “Just as robots.txt files don’t always prevent outside companies from crawling those sites, the same applies here. That said, we’d like to do our part to ensure that outside orgs respect user consent and are actively discussing within the team on how to achieve this.”
They can't and they fully admit that.
beepbooptheory
a year ago
It is a promise from Bluesky specifically, not the entire atproto "atmosphere", as they call it. This is ultimately no different than if Twitter promised such a thing, but couldn't stop people from still scraping the site.
righthand
a year ago
Right they didn’t promise to prevent generative AI from scraping. Does Dorsey have any generative AI investments?
nasso_dev
a year ago
for the record: Dorsey has nothing to do with Bluesky today (he even hates it now)
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/may/07/j...
culi
a year ago
Hate is some strong editorializing. He hasn't made any statements against Bluesky. All he's done is encouraged people to stay on Twitter after Musk initially took over. Internet denizens saw that as anti-Bluesky. He's never actually publicly critiqued Bluesky
My opinion: he's probably trying to avoid legal trouble that would come from propping up a Twitter competitor after making a major sale. Especially one that was initially conceived within Twitter itself
bananapub
a year ago
> If I can run my own instance can they really promise that?
what? it's Bluesky promising not to do a thing, they're not promising every other entity in the world won't do a thing.
righthand
a year ago
Right so they aren’t offering any sort of actual value in that promise to the user, other than moral security.
kevinh
a year ago
You generally give the company whose platform you're hosting on a license to use your work. That's not something that they'd have that groups scraping the data would not. If the tide turns on AI having to respect copyright, that could significantly change the significance of that promise. Will it? Probably not.
daft_pink
a year ago
i think people are a little bit unclear about what such a promise means or if it’s even of value for a decentralized system compared to the usefulness of such a promise for a traditional centralized social network.