ethbr1
3 days ago
>> Where’s the positive ad with [...] a businessperson using it to understand a complex report dumped on them minutes before a meeting?
There is literally exactly that ad.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BK8bnkcT0Ng
Imho, it's one of the best "Why AI?" ads I've seen so far.
rockemsockem
3 days ago
That guy looks lazy and bad at his job. Compare that ad to this famous Excel ad from the 90s.
https://youtu.be/kOO31qFmi9A?si=Ww9i4FCxxpMj3YIs
The guy in the Excel commercial comes off as cool, confident, and skilled at using Excel. Both ads show off the speed of the tool in high stakes scenarios, but the Apple one makes the user look like an idiot. Also the Apple ad shows everyone with macs, so he has no advantage over everyone else.
namaria
7 hours ago
Both ads put together really highlight how the current 'AI' marketing trend is just that.
TeMPOraL
3 days ago
> The guy in the Excel commercial comes off as cool, confident, and skilled at using Excel.
FWIW, everyone else in that video comes off as a bunch of idiots, so I'm not sure it's that much better.
rockemsockem
2 days ago
I feel like if the person using the product you're selling looks like the only smart one then that's also a good look for the product.
fxtentacle
3 days ago
That Microsoft ad is 4 minutes long. That's too long to make it unskippable and I'm pretty sure most people would not watch it long enough to reach the punchline.
notachatbot123
3 days ago
It would be easy to cut it down to a shorter runtime. This wasn't what OP was talking about though.
TeMPOraL
3 days ago
It's unclear to me where would you even find such an ad in the wild? 4 minutes is ridiculously long for a single spot, even for TV in 1990s. I'm gonna guess this would be running on a loop on a trade show or something.
Someone
3 days ago
https://www.marketingmag.com.au/news/how-long-is-too-long-fo...:
- In 2019, Apple released a three-minute ad online. The ad was called The Underdogs
- In 2020, The Underdogs moved locations. […] The ad was seven minutes
- On 11 March 2022, Apple released the third installment of the series. […] This ad spot is a staggering nine minutes long
Looking at https://youtube.com/watch?v=JJwdhWM9d0Y, there’s a fourth episode of about 5 minutes, taking total length to 26 minutes.
I also remember there being an older televised Apple ad of over 20 minutes, but cannot find it.
extraduder_ire
3 days ago
I think its gone out of fashion, but there was a trend for a while to produce a "full length" ad and edit it down to fit in tighter ad slots, or split it into multiple chunks and show parts of it across different ad breaks.
totetsu
3 days ago
its like a French New Wave film
Wowfunhappy
3 days ago
Kind of. The guy in this ad is portrayed as a slacker who didn't read the report everyone was expected to read. He presumably received the report well in advance of the meeting, he just didn't bother to look at it.
This is very different from someone who was given a report he/she could not possibly have read in time!
This guy is the person who uses Sparknotes instead of doing his homework. I'm all for efficiency, but if a summary could fully capture the report, the author wouldn't have written the report, they'd just have written the summary.
Of course, maybe in this brave new world we're living in, the report's author did just write a summary, then used AI to turn it into a multi-page document, which readers used AI to turn back into a summary.
Is this what we want?
cthor
3 days ago
> if a summary could fully capture the report, the author wouldn't have written the report, they'd just have written the summary
That is not my experience with corporate writing in the slightest.
Wowfunhappy
3 days ago
Yes, but... that's bad corporate writing, right? I suppose you could argue that's the reality for many, but it's not what we should aspire to! The solution isn't to add AI summarizers, it's to stop writing BS!
Easier said than done, I get it. But I'm scared of AI normalizing this. What happens when no one, even the good writers, can write for actual people any more, because everything is uniformly thrown into an AI?
lmm
3 days ago
It's already normalised. If companies were capable of rewarding insight rather than volume they'd be doing it already. If anything, normalising the use of AI to reduce a report to its valuable insights should reduce the incentive to pad out reports.
elcritch
3 days ago
Or AI tools will be used to pad out the reports making the author look prolific while knowing everyone will summarize the report to important parts.
lmm
3 days ago
> Or AI tools will be used to pad out the reports making the author look prolific
But everyone will know everyone can do this. So it will stop impressing anyone, maybe.
matwood
3 days ago
> but if a summary could fully capture the report, the author wouldn't have written the report
I'm curious if you work in a corporate environment. Middle management gets swamped with stuff like this because the person who wrote the reports thinks the longer the better to show off how good they are at their job.
Amazon fought this trend with their commonly referred 1-pager and >=6-pagers.
I don't have hard rules like Amazon, but one of my common pushbacks on my team is make documents shorter.
ethbr1
3 days ago
> He presumably received the report well in advance of the meeting...
Where'd you get that from? That everyone else had read it / lied about reading it?
Wowfunhappy
3 days ago
Yeah, the alternative is that everyone else lied and the boss has impossible expectations of his team. That's absolutely possible but not my default assumption.
TeMPOraL
3 days ago
Realistic alternative: life happens. By my experience, most of other people in that room probably only skimmed the prospectus, but even if they all read it carefully, maybe this one guy had a really busy couple days. Deadlines at work, kids getting sick, etc. With a dozen people in a room, sheer probability demands that every now and then, someone will be unprepared through no fault of their own. In this ad, it happens to be that guy.
In other words: beware of fundamental attribution error.
Wowfunhappy
3 days ago
Sure, fine, but then the guy could have said "I'm sorry, my kids have been sick all week and I've been working on Project X, I haven't had time to read the Prospectus yet."
Instead, he lied. And while I don't think that's some unforgivable crime—there are absolutely circumstances that could justify it—I don't think that's what the ad is portraying. You have to go out and come up with additional external factors which the ad does not provide evidence for.
The guy was clearly zoned out and caught off guard. And yeah, maybe that's because he was taking care of a crying newborn all night and is sleep deprived, but that's not the simplest explanation or the one Apple intended for us to think about.
ethbr1
3 days ago
I think you'd have to go outside what's on the screen to draw any conclusions about how much time everyone else spent reading the prospectus.
sigmar
3 days ago
That's not "[understanding] a complex report." It exemplifies the authors point that they're portraying it as "tools for those unwilling to put in any effort." During this meeting, how is that guy going to critique any detail from the prospectus or make any useful contribution from the 20 second summary?
I think these LLMs are tremendously useful and the ads undersell them. But I can also appreciate that the ads have to appeal to the lowest common denominator, and showing real workflows in 30sec is difficult.
moondev
3 days ago
Compare to Microsoft Copilot ad
thecupisblue
3 days ago
All these "why AI" ads, addons, features et al makes me think it's just middle managers having ideas on how to make their jobs easier and work the least while getting credit for bringing AI to the table.
Reviewing emails, summarizing meetings, documents, key points, TPS reports.
Are these all seriously that impactful? If your job can be condensed into information summarising, then your job can and will be done by the same machine that is doing the summarising for you.
Any and all "edge" a human might have in that business (unique insight and perspectives, noticing details that sound okay but actually aren't, human pattern recognition) get lost in the human-AI-AI-human translation. In this commercial, if prospectus was written by AI and is now summarized by AI, what is the point of the people around the table? The ad's should be used to show it's impact to scale the edge instead of scaling generic business bullshit.
If your company is a swarm of people using AI to generate all input/output, your company might scale wider but it will (mostly) be doing mediocre work - unless your hires are explicitly good at using AI. If it's mediocre and scaled wide, others can easily create the same output and beat you with pricing.
tl;dr; scale the edge, not the middle.