anvil-on-my-toe
31 minutes ago
Phrases like "the American economy is booming" or "America is out-performing Europe..." are simplistic and ridiculous. My least favorite part of getting a degree in economics was the endless story-telling that pretends to be scientific. "America" is not equivalent to the asset portfolios of the richest 1% of the population. Just say what you're measuring (rich people's wealth) and don't try to dress it up as a measure of a thriving nation. Don't call it "America" or "the economy", call it GDP.
Purchasing power is down, birth rates are down, life expectancies are down, young people's expectations of the future are down. We should account for things we care about when we talk about how the country is doing.
loeg
8 minutes ago
Purchasing power is up, actually.
Life expectancies are not a conventional measure of "the economy" but also (IMO) likely to improve in the medium term with widespread use of GLP-1 drugs.
As far as young people -- I'm not sure. There is certainly a Taylor Lorenz adjacent crowd of "doomers" but I don't think they're representative of the median young adult.
anvil-on-my-toe
a minute ago
No, purchasing power is down. Costs of living have gone up faster than wages. Gold and assets are all more expensive because the USD is worth less than it was.
Young people are doing bad. Depression, self harm, suicide, isolation, all up; unable to earn enough to move out and start a family, go on vacation, spend money on entertainment with friends. A bunch of basic economic activity and quality of life things for young people are indeed very down.
corimaith
29 minutes ago
Everything you've listed is apparent in other countries and even more so. Even today, anybody ambitious would kill for the kind of opportunities Americans have.
rqtwteye
24 minutes ago
"anybody ambitious would kill for the kind of opportunities Americans have"
That's probably true for the very ambitious. I think the US doesn't work as well for people who just want to have a decent life.
BizarroLand
21 minutes ago
You're talking about the lottery winners, comparing the wealth and opportunities of the top 50,000 Americans to the average joes of the world and overlooking the reality of the other 369,950,000 Americans who have roughly the same quality of life that the people in your country do.
I'm from Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, the poorest location in America. I have memories of my uncles sleeping in the snow, 14 people stuffed into a 2 bedroom home, dirty streets and boredom being the norm, no jobs and what little money was to be had spent across state lines in White Clay for cheap liquor.
There are far more of people like us than there are the people living the lifestyles of the rich and the famous. Don't stab your brother in the back in hopes of being one of them.
user
19 minutes ago
u-2-silly
24 minutes ago
Let's not forget:
- US Military patrolling the world's shipping lanes-- with US Citizens & Companies tax dollars directly subsidizing the price of oil & international goods for a significant portion of the world (the prices would be higher without some outside country prividing protection)
- US Military bases-- 750 in 80 countries-- with US Citizens & Companies tax dollars directly subsidizing the security of a significant portion of the world
As an American, I really wish we left the world to their own devices, and paid for their own security and shipping lane protection. The world takes the US for granted. I think we should let them squabble for a few years, then beg us to come back-- when we have them leaning over a barrel, then we charge high fees :P
dehrmann
14 minutes ago
The US has been borrowing money from the world to pay for the world policing duties. Leaving the debate over those for another day, I'm worried the world will stop borrowing dollars that subsidize that service, and the US will be left holding the bag for the cost of it.
Workaccount2
7 minutes ago
The terrible reality for the world is that the world needs the US more than the US needs the world. Unless of course the idea of China running the global stage is appealing.
user
20 minutes ago
slothtrop
21 minutes ago
Then take note of GDP-per-capita growth. The whole of the developed world had to deal with inflation and financial repercussions of covid. What's exceptional is the US recovery and the fact is economic conditions in the US has improved at a more rapid pace.
> young people's expectations of the future are down
Relative to?
> birth rates are down
Absent GDP, this matters because...? The country is growing as a matter of policy through immigration.
> Purchasing power is down
Wages are recovering
iwontberude
23 minutes ago
Actually in the US, real wages increased in the last several years (adjusted for inflation) so actually purchasing power is up on average. The data is always changing, good to keep up to date!
slowmovintarget
25 minutes ago
Right. Our food lines are merely shorter than those in other countries. Sigh.