HHKB and Realforce – Mechanical Programming and Gaming Keyboards

7 pointsposted 16 hours ago
by janandonly

15 Comments

SOTGO

13 hours ago

The HHKB variants can be nice keyboards, but they're definitely not for everyone. I have a Leopold FC660C that has the same silenced Topre switches as some of the HHKB variants and they're really nice, but the boards that come with them quite expensive for what they provide. The HHKB layout can also be a bit annoying to get used to too, which is why I use the FC660C, since it has arrow keys.

In practice I find modern custom keyboards to have higher upside than Topre keyboards, since you can build one with your preferred layout and switches. If you get a QMK enabled board you can also fully customize the functionality of the keyboard, which I find immensely useful. Unless you specifically want a 60% keyboard with light tactile switches I wouldn't recommend an HHKB, but if that's what you want it's hard to do better.

squigz

13 hours ago

I've been using an ErgoDox EZ for quite a while now. I will simply never go back to using a non-QMK keyboard.

jwells89

13 hours ago

HHKBs themselves are great but for me the main point of attraction is the layout. It takes a bit to get used to, but it works very well for me. Especially on macOS with its system wide text nav key shortcuts, it allows just about everything larger boards do while requiring significantly less hand movement. No home/end cluster or numpad either pushing the alpha cluster way off center or pushing the right-hand mousing area way out is nice too.

I just wish laptops had that layout as an option. It’d be particularly nice on ultralights like the ThinkPad X1 Nano or discontinued 12” MacBook.

numpad0

12 hours ago

One unique aspect of HHKB keyboards(except Studio) is that they don't use independent key switches used by most of its followers, because it was designed as just a keyboard by existing computer manufacturer(PFU under Fujitsu) unlike its followers.

The differences are subtle, but HHKB feels neater than most of its competitors to me, and I think all-integral design is the reason why - key spacing, stroke, overall packaging are ever so slightly better.

Too bad that there is no justification for anyone to do Lite models anymore. Lite2 was all I needed. It even sounds like HHKB over calls at ~1/8th price.

jitl

12 hours ago

What do you mean by independent switches? Like it’s vertically integrated manufacturing, or are you saying there’s a mechanical / engineering difference in how the components fit together in the board?

numpad0

5 hours ago

I meant to say Cherry MX style keyswitches. Most fancy keyboards after HHKB are built using those pop-in self contained switches. That's just a feature to users, but also the only way well-intentioned fly-by-night keyboard brands could work.

asmor

4 hours ago

Cherry didn't invent hotswap, and the MX switch predates the first mainstream hotswap boards by a few decades.

petepete

13 hours ago

I've used a HHKB as my main keyboard for nearly 15 years and can't imagine myself switching. It just works so well and is still a joy to type on.

I'm looking forward to getting a Framework laptop so I can remap the keys and finally have a single consistent layout for everything.

mapcars

12 hours ago

How come people make fancy expensive keyboards for enthusiasts without aligned columns?

jitl

12 hours ago

Different designs for different preferences. HHKB is quite classic, it’s been around since the 90s and is just refining and refining the original design.

I can’t go back to staggered or flat keyboards since switching to Kinesis Advantage 10 years ago. These days I’m rocking a Glove80 since the Advantage360 Bluetooth version is so buggy.

Still I wish there were options in my preferred form factor that are as nicely built as the HHKB. So I like to appreciate the aesthetics and craft even if I’d never use it personally.

numpad0

5 hours ago

HHKBs are "Sun Type 4 LTS Core", legacy is feature. TrackPoint and swappable keys added in Studio is perhaps analogous to systemd in Debian.

asmor

13 hours ago

I love my HHKB, but I'd never recommend it for gaming, that's just silly.

caladin

13 hours ago

It's likely referring to the Realforce keyboards, notice the title says "HHKB _and_ Realforce", then "Mechanical Programming _and_ Gaming Keyboards", respectively.

asmor

12 hours ago

The layout isn't the problem (or at least not just), I'd just never recommend Topre for gaming.

numpad0

12 hours ago

IMO, intensive keyboard games should be played with left hand auxiliary keypads, any WSAD is silly. It should be Razer Tartarus or Azeron Cyborg or whichever the current option.