The Society in Dedham for Apprehending Horse Thieves

51 pointsposted 14 hours ago
by drdee

24 Comments

oersted

9 hours ago

I sounds terribly exclusive,

> Since its founding there have been more than 10,000 members including heads of state, Supreme Court justices, governors, popes, professors, generals, and other notables.

But it’s just a small old club adding elite members as a joke.

> The person elected to membership in the society need not even know that they had been nominated.

> "I've always wondered what the reaction in the Vatican mail room is when they open the envelope and see the certificate."

keybored

4 hours ago

Yeah I did a double take there.

> > Since its founding there have been more than 10,000 members including heads of state, Supreme Court justices, governors

Okay so what.

> , popes,

Uh what?

Animats

12 hours ago

There are many organizations that similarly outlived their usefulness.

The Junior Order of United American Mechanics is another one. This was the kid's section of the Order of United American Mechanics. It survived the parent organization and is still in existence. Or at least the web site, not updated since 2019, is still up.[1]

[1] https://www.jrouamnationalcouncil.org

_visgean

6 hours ago

> similarly outlived their usefulness.

from the wiki article it does not sound like they have ever been useful.

Reason077

10 hours ago

"There is only one instance of a horse thief being caught by the Society"

Hmmm.

jameshart

2 hours ago

Nonetheless the incidence of horse theft in Dedham has steadily declined since their founding.

oersted

9 hours ago

I just wanted to note how good the writing is on the first sign-up list when it was just 13 blokes in a local tavern.

> The great number of horses stolen from amongst us and in our vicinity is truly alarming, and calls for the attention of every well-disposed Citizen. It is evident that there has been, and probably will continue, a combination of Villains through the northern states to carry into effect this malignant design, and their frequent escape from the hand of justice stimulates them to that atrocious practice. And as that kind of property is most liable to be carried out of our knowledge, it requires the utmost exertion of every good member of society, to baffle and suppress depredations of this kind...

I do understand that it sounds fancy to us because of the old language, it was probably how normal people spoke back then. But man it’s still quite artful and epic the way they express such a mundane thing.

wood_spirit

9 hours ago

Growing up I got a glimpse into the dying days of the English pub, where it really was a living room where people went in the evenings to be social. Normal everyday people quickly became artists with words. Perhaps that is what we lost when tvs made everyone start staying home and what we may never get back now when everyone at home am just states into their own private screen?

wussboy

3 hours ago

The English pub was a critical “third space”, but modern life (especially car centric infrastructure) has made them go away.

motohagiography

4 hours ago

so glad it still exists. the point is the continuity itself. pity so few men ride horses anymore, but I can see how that happened, barns are feminine coded spaces now and it'd probably be like getting guys to do zumba. however, places need social fabrics and a way to connect. I live rurally and the closest thing here would be the volunteer firemen groups and masonic lodges in the area. it's important to have a way to share some dignity and recognition that isn't monopolized by the state. sure they can be exclusive, but the point was to make yourself worthy of welcome somewhere.

in my collections I have a ritual book for The Society of the Horseman's Word, which was a quasi-masonic fraternity for horsemen loosely based on one for ploughmen in 19th c. scotland and I thought about a fun reboot for it, but really there's nothing in it that regular masonry doesn't provide and imposing a constraint where guys need to be capable of anything outside their jobs these days (let alone, riding) is too much of a self-handicap. the other problem is do you really want to attract people who need what you're offering?

orgs like these are a social fabric that forms the quality of life we appreciate when we go into small towns and imagine how peaceful living there is. if there is something like it in your area, you should join one, as it's a way of providing stewardship for the places and ways of life people enjoy.

082349872349872

30 minutes ago

> barns are feminine coded spaces now

That all depends upon the barn*, now doesn't it? Eg, I don't recall there being many female rough stock riders.

> places need social fabrics and a way to connect

Around here we do that with voluntary associations. De Tocqueville mentions them approvingly in Democracy in America (1835), but for some reason this aspect of culture has swapped over the intervening centuries, and I find there are way more here in my corner of the Continent than in the Old Country.

> a constraint where guys need to be capable of anything outside their jobs

What's even the point of living without an avocation beyond your vocation?

* [I'd say over the last several decades I've only had to (mostly teasingly, and each time in a barn chock full of DQs) request that people please not female bond around me 2 or 3 times. And come to think of it, back when I was still single, having a social spot that had the opposite ratio to the one at work was not exactly a bad thing. Has Jilly Cooper ever written any books with a Zumba® setting?]

ggm

14 hours ago

The Shirky principle would suggest they need to steal horses to ensure their continued existence.

tpoacher

10 hours ago

I know this was meant as a joke, but I can't resist the temptation to point out that this is a subtle misinterpretation of the Shirky principle (which I'm sure you're probably already aware since this was probably meant as a joke :p ).

The Shirky principle doesn't necessarily say that companies will engage in malicious behaviour in this manner. It's mostly about how, consciously or not, they tend to focus on solutions that continually mitigate problems, but tend to ignore solutions that could forever eliminate those problems, thus ensuring that they remain relevant in the mitigation space rather than successfully eliminate the need for them to exist in the first place.

ggm

10 hours ago

Since they haven't found a horse thief since around 1907 I suspect they are looking assiduously but also carefully not where horse thieves actually are, within 20 miles of their courthouse. Therefore dutifully meeting the shirky principle in its finest sense.

I work in a policy forming not-for-profit which was tendered a "no more policy" policy in 2011 and voted it down. I am sure that meets the definition for perpetual problem solving.

crummy

11 hours ago

If I were a horse thief, I would definitely try to join to avoid suspicion

cjs_ac

12 hours ago

See also the one hundred and eleven Livery Companies of the City of London: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livery_company

Reason077

10 hours ago

Some of the Livery companies were already hundreds of years old before the United States even existed, let alone the Society in Dedham!

082349872349872

10 hours ago

Hundreds? I've been to an abbey which has been around for more than 1'500 years...

(the next jump, to tens of thousands, will be difficult, as anything over ~5k is prehistoric)

StrauXX

7 hours ago

Somehow this article reminds me of the Lemony Snicket novels.

devit

4 hours ago

Not clear how this Wikipedia article survived deletion, given that while the society seems to actually exist the subject is clearly not notable (memberships are sent without request or consent) and the article is plainly not NPOV and misleading, presumably written as a joke or as a proof-of-concept of an attack on Wikipedia.

ViktorRay

4 hours ago

This subject seems more notable than many of the video game or movie articles that Wikipedia editors seems to love to spend large amounts of time on.