rendaw
9 months ago
How? Did Ryujinx cross any lines? I thought emulators were OK given they didn't include verbatim binary payloads and the like. What's Nintendo's leverage here?
Also, for that matter, the last I heard was that the Yuzu steam release was killed, but it seems to have been killed beyond that?
DistractionRect
9 months ago
Second hand from other members of the dev team, apparently Nintendo lawyers approached the lead dev at his home with a Cease and Desist. Apparently they reached an agreement, as his fork went private and the Ryujinx organization went private.
So basically they got to the dev that controlled its online presence, and pressured him into removing it and abandoning the project. Naturally this scared off the other devs. So it's dead in the sense that no one is maintaining it and it was deplatformed.
While nothing is stopping anyone from continuing the project, the community is fragmented (there's a bunch of mirrors/forks but no primary fork), and there was zero knowledge transfer - anyone picking this up has to build their experience with both the code base and switch internals from scratch.
sunaookami
9 months ago
>emulators were OK
This has never been tested in court - the bleem case was before DMCA. Nintendo is always playing the copyright and security circumvention card and no one wants to fight it (understandably). Details of the Ryujinx case are not public but I guess they used the Yuzu case as a threat.
Yuzu was killed because Nintendo sued Tropic Haze LLC (the company behind Yuzu) and issued a permanent injunction.
benoau
9 months ago
Apple lost trying to argue that iOS shouldn't be emulated too.
https://www.engadget.com/apple-loss-lawsuit-corellium-120347...
> Apple sued security start-up Corellium last year, accusing it of violating copyright law for offering researchers access to “virtual” iPhones that can help them find bugs in iOS products. Now, a federal judge in Florida has tossed Apple’s copyright complaint, giving Corellium a major victory in its legal battle against the tech giant.
rahimnathwani
9 months ago
Corellium doesn't emulate iOS. It emulates the hardware so it can install iOS.
LocalH
9 months ago
Ryujinx doesn't emulate the Switch OS. It emulates the hardware so it can install the Switch OS.
In other words, that's a distinction without a difference.
ChocolateGod
9 months ago
I wouldn't be surprised if they are legal (e.g. look at Wine), but in a US court Nintendo will happily make it so expensive for a defendant that they have no choice but to concede.
rendaw
9 months ago
I can see that killing development by Tropic Haze, but the repositories are gone and not just stopped/locked/archived, and all forks seem to be eliminated too. I didn't think it was possible to that thoroughly kill an open source project, but nintendo apparently managed somehow.
meesles
9 months ago
FWIW, the emulator and source are all still circulating in less prominent places. It'll be back at some point.
sunaookami
9 months ago
Because there is an injunction against the Yuzu source code and it's radioactive so no one touches it. There are a few forks but none active (and the devs of them just slap a new logo on it and call it a day).
ycombinatrix
9 months ago
torzu seems to be active: http://vub63vv26q6v27xzv2dtcd25xumubshogm67yrpaz2rculqxs7jlf...
rowanG077
9 months ago
I don't think they crossed any line. But a private person cannot defend themselves against a billion dollar company.
yieldcrv
9 months ago
Nintendo asked with their lawyer goons and the dev agreed