Amazon Layoffs: Tech Firm to Cut 14,000 Manager Positions by 2025, Says Report

27 pointsposted 9 months ago
by moonka
(news.abplive.com)

22 Comments

tgma

9 months ago

Imagine the bottom 14000 managers from Amazon on the loose getting jobs elsewhere and spreading the worst parts of its culture around in other companies. Effectively unleashes a biological virus at other FAANGs and smaller companies. Good job Amazon.

linotype

9 months ago

To the contrary, the ex-Amazon managers I’ve worked with explicitly tell me they avoid implementing ideas from Amazon in terms of management.

39896880

9 months ago

Yes. Ex-Amazon here. The part where I horse-trade putting engineers on PIP so I can keep my UAR up -- I don't spread that to other companies because it's toxic as fuck and leads to my friends on H1Bs getting deported.

phendrenad2

9 months ago

What makes you think they're really the bottom?

tgma

9 months ago

What makes you think otherwise, statistically?

phendrenad2

9 months ago

There isn't any reason to believe that companies can or even want to identify the lowest performers, especially when doing mass headcount reduction.

tgma

9 months ago

There isn't any reason to believe...

There's no reason to believe the sky is blue.

...even want to identify...

Short of cuts of an entire division, sounds like fairy tales. Now, they might want to claim they have or have not done so; that's a different issue.

phendrenad2

9 months ago

What are you even talking about?

tgma

9 months ago

I am simply suggesting your assertion is self-evidently false.

phendrenad2

9 months ago

By that logic, so is yours. We should talk to the World's Records people to see if we set a record for biggest waste of time.

tgma

9 months ago

Perhaps you should. It's obvious that all companies at very least desire to know who is the high performer and who is not. To deny that for a trillion dollar successful company is just ridiculous.

phendrenad2

9 months ago

Well, I wish for a lot of things, doesn't mean I get them.

tgma

9 months ago

Well, this is what you stated previously: "there isn't any reason to believe that companies can or even <<<<want>>>> to identify the lowest performers."

And yes, there is at least some evidence to believe they do that identification somewhat successfully: their business is working.

phendrenad2

9 months ago

Yes when I go to the store, I hope to find a million dollar gemstone in my loaf of bread. But is that evidence that my trip to the store was meaningfully motivated by this?

Anyway, I've made my point every way possible now, it's time to leave it and let those who understand, understand.

blackeyeblitzar

9 months ago

> Jassy also introduced a "bureaucracy tipline" that allows employees to report unnecessary procedures that hinder their work, according to the report.

Would anyone actually use that? For example if you were complaining about the bureaucracy of dealing with your manager's process, you might face retaliation. Or worse, a lot of the bureaucracy may actually be due to the edicts of higher up executives.

Or is this just a stunt to virtue signal efficiency?

rkwz

9 months ago

Is there more info on how this "bureaucracy tipline" works?

More often in big companies, the processes keeps getting bigger and more convoluted as time passes by.

Usually the change in process is approved by higher ups, but they might not have full visibility of the process as they're not the ones who are going through these processes (people below them are).

taway1874

9 months ago

Sigh! 105K managers currently and with the 14K cuts it will still be around 91K. As a manager myself, I fully understand and appreciate the value they bring but not matter how large your workforce having 90K+ managers is insanity. Hopefully they are focussing on the middle management and not first-line managers.

BugsJustFindMe

9 months ago

How any company has 14000 extra managers is just beyond me.

tonyedgecombe

9 months ago

Amazon has 1.5 million employees, they probably have 100,000 managers.