Israel was told 'you are not alone' – but year of war has left it isolated

7 pointsposted 9 months ago
by prmph
(theguardian.com)

14 Comments

tovej

9 months ago

Israels actions _should_ be condemned, and the western world should be politically able to sanction Israel for its war crimes, otherwise we are simply pretending to value liberal democracy and international law. At the moment, Israel is somehow excluded from regular diplomatic processes (e.g. the U.S. govt. failing to act on actionable reports from itself: https://newrepublic.com/post/186305/antony-blinken-congress-...)

If Israel continues to have de-facto diplomatic immunity, this situation risks accelerating the deterioration of social peace across the western world.

jfengel

9 months ago

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tovej

9 months ago

This is a cute "moderate" description of the situation if you ignore all history leading up to October 7th and the massive number of Palestinian civilians Israel has murdered and displaced. The year leading up to October 7th was already one of the deadliest recent years for Palestinians in both the weat bank and Gaza.

The main problem has always been Israel forcefully occupying the Palestinians indigenous land while denying them their humanity.

Israel can never be in the right until it acknowledges some form of Palestinian sovereignty.

jfengel

9 months ago

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tovej

9 months ago

I have not ignored the October 7th attack, I expressly mentioned it. You want me to condemn it? I condemn it, and I condemn Hamas.

I don't know how you've twisted the very simple take that the people who have lived in the Palestinian region should have the right to live freely in the Palestinian region, which they have not been able to do for some 70+ years now.

Israel has all the responsibility and power in this situation. Israel has repeatedly denied all efforts to give the Palestinians either citizenship or recognize their land. That's something Israel must fix. Palestinians have essentially no authority in the region. They need human rights, which they have lacked ever since Israel was founded. The October 7th attacks were horrible but they pale in comparison to what Israel has systematically been doing for decades, nearly a century.

You seem to think certain solutions that gives Palestinians their humanity "abolishes the state of Israel". That is clearly just bad rhetoric.

Still, I'm happy to see that former Israel sympathizers are hoping for solutions. But more pressure needs to be applied against the only actor who can change things: Israel

user

9 months ago

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prmph

9 months ago

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tovej

9 months ago

Oh, I'm well aware there never was one, it's just particularily egregious how badly western leaders are trying to pretend there is one and that they are in the right.

I would prefer if they just took the mask off and said directly that they want to project power and gain access to natural resources through force. That's an honest position that the public should get to hear.

NomDePlum

9 months ago

Israel is the opposite of isolated surely? It gets to enact mass killing and have other governments say that it should do it.

wslh

9 months ago

Leaving aside political and war flames, I believe in an era dominated by real-time social media and zillions of posts, we're overly focused on the nanoseconds of events rather than decades or centuries. Actions that may appear one way in the moment could be interpreted very differently when viewed across a longer timespan.

user

9 months ago

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myth_drannon

9 months ago

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aguaviva

9 months ago

All European nations refused to American resupply planes to land for re-fuel fearing backlash from oil rich Arab nations (the embargo still came).

This is simply false. Israel got help from several European countries in this regard.

Salazar's Portugal was happy to help and famously lent the US a base on the Azores. This ended up being a mammoth operation that would land up to 30 planes daily saw the base's population grow to some 1300 people. The Greek junta also allowed use of its communication facilities and the use of an airport near Athens. The Netherlands also secretly landed a smaller number of planes, in addition to providing substantial material (munitions, parts) and political support.

Britain and other countries had other reasons for being reluctant to support Israel at the time, besides the oil issue -- most chiefly its refusal to return to 1967 borders. So in that sense, it was Israel's arrogance and contempt for international law in the aftermath of that conflict which ended up endangering its own security.