tovej
9 months ago
Israels actions _should_ be condemned, and the western world should be politically able to sanction Israel for its war crimes, otherwise we are simply pretending to value liberal democracy and international law. At the moment, Israel is somehow excluded from regular diplomatic processes (e.g. the U.S. govt. failing to act on actionable reports from itself: https://newrepublic.com/post/186305/antony-blinken-congress-...)
If Israel continues to have de-facto diplomatic immunity, this situation risks accelerating the deterioration of social peace across the western world.
jfengel
9 months ago
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tovej
9 months ago
This is a cute "moderate" description of the situation if you ignore all history leading up to October 7th and the massive number of Palestinian civilians Israel has murdered and displaced. The year leading up to October 7th was already one of the deadliest recent years for Palestinians in both the weat bank and Gaza.
The main problem has always been Israel forcefully occupying the Palestinians indigenous land while denying them their humanity.
Israel can never be in the right until it acknowledges some form of Palestinian sovereignty.
jfengel
9 months ago
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tovej
9 months ago
I have not ignored the October 7th attack, I expressly mentioned it. You want me to condemn it? I condemn it, and I condemn Hamas.
I don't know how you've twisted the very simple take that the people who have lived in the Palestinian region should have the right to live freely in the Palestinian region, which they have not been able to do for some 70+ years now.
Israel has all the responsibility and power in this situation. Israel has repeatedly denied all efforts to give the Palestinians either citizenship or recognize their land. That's something Israel must fix. Palestinians have essentially no authority in the region. They need human rights, which they have lacked ever since Israel was founded. The October 7th attacks were horrible but they pale in comparison to what Israel has systematically been doing for decades, nearly a century.
You seem to think certain solutions that gives Palestinians their humanity "abolishes the state of Israel". That is clearly just bad rhetoric.
Still, I'm happy to see that former Israel sympathizers are hoping for solutions. But more pressure needs to be applied against the only actor who can change things: Israel
user
9 months ago
prmph
9 months ago
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tovej
9 months ago
Oh, I'm well aware there never was one, it's just particularily egregious how badly western leaders are trying to pretend there is one and that they are in the right.
I would prefer if they just took the mask off and said directly that they want to project power and gain access to natural resources through force. That's an honest position that the public should get to hear.