Mystery creator of Bitcoin identified, new HBO documentary claims

50 pointsposted a year ago
by cempaka

34 Comments

ablation

a year ago

There's nothing of substance in the article. I suppose we'll wait and see, but I have no reason to believe there'll be any more accuracy or veracity behind the unmasking that the countless previous attempts. It'll certainly get viewers with articles like this touting it, though.

knotimpressed

a year ago

I don’t know how many other very early wallets have suddenly become active in the last decade, and it could be a complete coincidence, but those wallets being drained is the smallest crumb of evidence that someone’s figured something out in my eyes.

cempaka

a year ago

There's very little veracity to his claims QAnon was run by some 8chan rando in the Philippines as well, so I agree with your guess here.

big-green-man

a year ago

If you're on the edge of your seat, let me dispense with the suspense: Len Sassaman.

Anybody who's actually looked into this topic beyond reading someone else's theories and nodding in agreement knows the answer to this question. If the documentary is worth it's salt that will be it's answer as well. No other person who would've been connected to cypherpunk and cryptography groups at that time fits the bill better, and he fits it basically perfectly. I'm sure other early contributors also knew this, which is why https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/black-ops-of-tcpip-2011...

ablation

a year ago

I'm really enjoying the multiple confident assertions that it's different people in this thread. Kind of a spoiler for the documentary I guess: it'll be another confident assertion about someone, with as satisfying a conclusion as all these comments.

adastra22

a year ago

Yes, you are absolutely correct, but please don't continue to spread this. Len Sassaman left behind family and heirs, and although it is very unlikely that Satoshi's mining keys survived in any form, if this rumor spreads they will never be safe.

reducesuffering

a year ago

It’s so interesting how people are so confident in multiple different people that have known exculpatory issues. Stylometry and code style doesn’t match at all.

IncreasePosts

a year ago

Anybody who has the skills to identify the creator of Bitcoin would not sit on it waiting for an HBO documentary. I'm guessing they're just going to say Hal Finney without any new evidence. Safer than saying Szabo who could push back since he's alive.

philsquared_

a year ago

Adam Back. Ever notice how anytime anyone mentions his name as possibly being satoshi they get buried? Not a coincidence. Plus Adam had no work history during the dates that Bitcoin was created. Had created the system that bitcoin is based on and never produced the emails of him and Satoshi that supposedly existed. Remember the first email from Satoshi mentions he got "your email from Adam Back". Google also manipulated the search engine results for "Satoshi is Adam Back" for years and basically censored the results for that query.. The list goes on. He is the most obvious candidate and likely the reason he was chosen to head core (I mean he literally wrote hash cash which is basically Bitcoin version 1)

SAI_Peregrinus

a year ago

I'm guessing it was a national intelligence agency trying to create a mostly deniable way to pay their agents.

ldargin

a year ago

Unless there is hard evidence, I'd consider this a waste of time. I don't know the purpose of "revealing" Satoshi if he's someone who doesn't want the attention.

rthnbgrredf

a year ago

Could you provide some instances of how hard evidence might look like?

knotimpressed

a year ago

I know the general public sees Satoshi as somehow the mastermind behind Bitcoin even now, but they aren’t. Bitcoin is open source, being maintained by a team, and its current implementation is the result of a community effort. It’s built on the crucial work Satoshi did, but arresting them or charging them or anything of the sort won’t magically change anything.

To the general public who’s never interacted with open source communities before I’m sure this is very exciting and so it’ll definitely impact Bitcoin’s value (maybe that’s why those early wallets were drained?) but I can’t see it actually impacting the future of Bitcoin or any other coin.

I wish they’d respect Satoshi’s privacy, but I’m also super curious to know who it is.

gwbas1c

a year ago

Show me a "community effort," and I'll find a leadership hierarchy, influential people, ect.

tim333

a year ago

I think Satoshi should be left in peace if he wants to be so I hope the documentary gets the wrong person. Ideally someone not around.

altdataseller

a year ago

Shockwaves? yawns it doesnt affect me, my bank account, my family, my health or my happiness. Who cares?

nieve

a year ago

The only way there'd be shockwaves is if it turned out to be Theo de Raadt.

hi-v-rocknroll

a year ago

This appears to be about as useful as mediums, fortune tellers, and alien history hunters.

slater

a year ago

i bet a billion bitcoins that they'll end it with "we have the name, but the individual requested we not publish it"

agilob

a year ago

Does it even matter at this point?

mikeyouse

a year ago

There's historical interest here and in some case, the fate of the "1 million Satoshi bitcoins" depends on who the creator is. If it was someone like Finney who passed away a decade ago, it's extremely unlikely that those coins will ever be recovered/spent.

mrkramer

a year ago

To historians it does matter.

user

a year ago

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pjkundert

a year ago

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dang

a year ago

Users flagged the post correctly, since the article doesn't actually include the critical bit of information that it's dangling.

The actual (new) content of this article can be summarized as "TV special soon to be released", which is not an intellectually interesting story. Perhaps the show itself will contain interesting information, and if so, the community may find something to discuss about it then. On HN, there's no harm in waiting. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

There's also the aspect that Satoshi speculation is one of the most-trodden topics in HN history, so a new story has a pretty high bar to clear to count as interesting.

pjkundert

a year ago

Disclosure of an inventor for Bitcoin is spectacularly technically interesting!

I've been deploying continent-wide distributed industrial systems and writing, theorizing and producing prototypes for scalable digital money since before 2009 (when Bitcoin was "invented"). It was a gobsmacking breakthrough then -- and it has only gotten more interesting, as we discover the profound insights of its "inventor", by watching other nascent cryptocurrencies and other distributed systems make mistakes that Bitcoin's "inventor" somehow knew to avoid (UTXOs vs. account balances, I'm lookin' at you..., and that's the least of them).

For someone to ex nihilo solve byzantine fault tolerant global consensus w/ robust authority-free rejection of sybils? And then go dark for 15 years? Any non-trivial semi-reliable claim of identification (see: HBO's skin in the game) is automatically almost the most technically interesting claim this year!

So, for some religious (see: beliefs based in faith in a narrative rather than observation, hypothesis and testing) "expert" to "Flag" this post as uninteresting is pretty much the opposite of the credo of the HN of the decade past.

HN seems to have become the "mainstream media" of the technical world -- interested only in findings acceptable to righteously-aligned cultists, boring to everyone actually observing interesting and novel facts about the technical world.

jcranmer

a year ago

... is it going to claim it's Craig Wright?