ablation
9 hours ago
There's nothing of substance in the article. I suppose we'll wait and see, but I have no reason to believe there'll be any more accuracy or veracity behind the unmasking that the countless previous attempts. It'll certainly get viewers with articles like this touting it, though.
knotimpressed
9 hours ago
I don’t know how many other very early wallets have suddenly become active in the last decade, and it could be a complete coincidence, but those wallets being drained is the smallest crumb of evidence that someone’s figured something out in my eyes.
neom
an hour ago
Saving future people a google: https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2024/09/20/satoshi-era-wall...
eep_social
9 hours ago
Agree. I’d be interested in a deeper dive into this activity if anyone has a link. TFA was short on details.
Edit: found some sources on this and it seems like no one knows anything
gwbas1c
8 hours ago
Or, the allegations could be 100% wrong, but someone decided to sell because it will lend credibility to the allegations. (And get them filthy stinking rich, too.)
cempaka
9 hours ago
There's very little veracity to his claims QAnon was run by some 8chan rando in the Philippines as well, so I agree with your guess here.
user
9 hours ago
api
9 hours ago
Qanon had several phases. The original Q was probably a 4chan LARP. The "insider LARP" is a fairly established genre on 4chan, Reddit, and other places. Then it seems that actual propagandists of some kind took it over and turned it into a weaponized conspiracy ARG for Trump and the alt-right. Then it was kicked off 4chan and from there probably ended up in the hands of the 8chan people or someone connected to them.
At least that's a shortened summary of the most credible chain I've seen.
Q never used any real security like a PGP key, so there's really no way to know how many Qs there were or how many times the ARG was ARG-jacked.
cempaka
9 hours ago
The earliest form of a QAnon style narrative being advanced in the public was from Steve Pieczenik, who has a deep intelligence background (involved with the Aldo Moro kidnapping), who was talking about a white hat coup on Alex Jones's show (another source that glows in and of itself) in 2015, a full year before the first Pizzagate drops. I highly doubt it was started as a "LARP" by people who didn't already have deep knowledge of ARGs and psyops.
api
6 hours ago
Maybe. I'm aware of at least a few different ideas about where it came from, but unless somebody confesses it's impossible to tell. It's a giant mess of people pointing at each other and different trails that lead nowhere definitive.
I do think the move to 8chan probably coincided with at least one ARG-jacking. The 4chan "trip code" thing Q was using on 4chan is a joke security-wise but the move to 8chan had no hand-off at all. There was no way to have any assurance it was the same person. (Again not that 4chan is secure.)
A real "high-level informant" with "Q clearance" would have used a f'ing PGP signature or a signed message in a Bitcoin transaction or something cryptographically verifiable.
Edit: the white-hat coup narrative goes back really far in conspiranoid and new-age literature. It goes back at least to the I AM movement, which had a narrative that sounded a lot like Q plus some ascended master woo woo. I AM was a totalitarian cult with fascist-adjacent leanings that was at one point trying to organize a march on Washington, but it never happened for some reason. I think the cult leader died or something if I remember correctly.
There's a tiny bit of evidence for a direct link. There was a video making the rounds a while back of Michael Flynn at some Q event saying a prayer that turned out to be straight out of one of the I AM offshoots. Seems a bit of a stretch though to imagine some old cult trying to launch their revolution a second time. It's more likely that grifters are just pulling bullshit from places like I AM to develop their own grifts.