Map with public fruit trees

173 pointsposted 11 hours ago
by dschuessler

58 Comments

Lerc

4 hours ago

There seems to be quite the split of opinion on public fruit trees.

I encountered something like this when I planted a row of red currents at the front of our property. My mother-in-law said "You can't plant those there, people will take the fruit" whereas my thinking was "If I plant these here, people can take the fruit"

Sirizarry

3 hours ago

One of my favorite parts of visiting family in Puerto Rico is the ability to stop almost anywhere and pick up a free, fresh mango/passion fruit/papaya/etc.. It’s a beautiful thing to experience nature providing at such scale

userbinator

2 hours ago

It's truly abundance when there's so much that you don't have to ever think about running out, probably so much that it even overwhelms those mentioned in the other comments who would otherwise try to harvest as many as they could.

handzhiev

10 hours ago

A fun coincidence - I saw this link right after jumping off the plane from a trip to Hiiumaa and Saaremaa in Estonia. Public apple trees are everywhere. Additionally, people leave some of their apples in boxes for everyone to take for free - some are in front of houses and shop, others on public bus stops etc. Such a lovely tradition.

whatshisface

5 hours ago

There aren't a lot of public fruit trees in US cities because the falling ripe fruit can create a sanitization issue.

ethbr1

5 hours ago

That's more of an inefficient allocation issue. Mostly people driving past ripe fruit trees to buy fruit imported across oceans at the grocery store.

nine_k

an hour ago

Would you prefer fruit that grew near a city road, after many decades of cars passing by that place while burning leaded fuel?

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS

32 minutes ago

But you can't be sure the imported fruit wasn't grown in the same or worse conditions

HeyLaughingBoy

4 hours ago

There's a spot in St. Paul, MN that I drive by sometimes that has had treefall apples all over the sidewalk for the last few weeks. I'm surprised they're left on the tree for that long, since it's in a pretty busy area.

mananaysiempre

3 hours ago

Unattended apple trees can create rotting apples on the ground, certainly. Those are admittedly not pretty, but in Central Russia (and, presumably, in Estonia, which is not that far off climate- and fauna-wise) they’re just one more layer of soil by spring. Do hotter temperatures or different wildlife make them a bigger problem in the US somehow?

ok_dad

3 hours ago

Probably a situation with stuck up neighbors most of the time. If you’ve heard of the homeowners association problem in the USA, this could be the cause. Having rotting fruit is fine for the soil and everything, but the stick up the butt neighbors or HOA probably would complain or ban the practice. US Americans are pretty separated from nature in their big suburbs.

__MatrixMan__

2 hours ago

I don't get it. If I wanted somebody to tell me what choices to make with how I lived, I'd have just continued living with my parents.

reaperman

34 minutes ago

Indeed. But it is difficult to find a house near work that is not already part of an HOA.

Lutger

2 hours ago

It is more likely to be seen as messy, just aesthetics. Another big reason for chopping down fruit trees in urban areas is they mess up cars that are parked under them.

Suppafly

3 hours ago

Rotting fruit also quickly attract bees and wasps and larger problems like raccoons.

timeon

4 hours ago

Not sure if it is really sanitization issue. But certainly perceived one - it can be mess. This was not unique to US. I remember on the other side of the Iron Curtain we planted in cities mostly just male dioecious trees.

Finally no fruit ...just pollen everywhere. (Good luck with allergies)

henrikschroder

5 hours ago

When I went to high school, I'd walk through an allotment garden to get to school. Always great for a snack on the way home, someone had amazing raspberries! Some lovely cherry trees as well as several varieties of apples.

Public? Free? Pschht, everyone knows that what's outside the fence is free for the taking!

But there were also tons of fruit trees in nature in the city. Went jogging one time at a jogging trail, saw chanterelles in the forest, came back with my t-shirt full of tasty, tasty mushrooms.

If you've grown up with always being able to pick fruits and berries and mushrooms in nature, maps like this are so weird. Why would you need a map? Nature is full of it?

Oh, you're not allowed? Oh, you can't access it? Oh, there aren't any around, really? How sad.

patrickwalton

21 minutes ago

I've been thinking something like this is needed whenever I see a tree dropping fruit on the sidewalk.

nox101

5 hours ago

This feels like it might have unintended consequences. My mom lives in a neighborhood where lots of people have fruit trees and allow neighbors to take some because none of them could eat all of the fruit. But, once in while, some people outside the community drive in an clear out the trees abusing the system. Will a map of public trees increase incidents like that?

mncharity

3 hours ago

Noted also in comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41689953 .

We're dismissive of "security through obscurity", but cost functions and diffusive compartmentalization are structural components of many systems. Yet exploring innovative approaches to mitigate the costs of our barrier reductions don't seem to get much discussion.

coding123

5 hours ago

This has happened for free RV camping spots. After the internet occupied the space, you can't find a peaceful area to camp anymore. In fact many places in AZ closed due to people just dumping their black tanks straight up on the land.

yreg

10 hours ago

minor complaint: every single interaction with the map results in a new item pushed into the browser history

Unearned5161

9 hours ago

which makes pressing the back key multiple times take you on a fun adventure in reverse!

Loughla

5 hours ago

I don't, generally, have the emotion of hate. I believe that hate is just a waste of emotional energy, and doesn't really serve a purpose. Further, I believe that if most people would stop and think, they would see that their hate is only serving to damage themselves, with zero positive results in every case.

And yet, I absolutely hate sites that don't let me go back to wherever I was before going to the site when I hit back, but instead reload prior same page clicks.

SirMaster

8 hours ago

I am always on the lookout for mullberries.

I really like them and you can't just buy them at a grocery store.

gsleblanc

4 hours ago

If you're interested in this kind of thing, inaturalist is another great resource with significantly more activity (at least in the US)

blackeyeblitzar

7 hours ago

Around me I see some people that are very dedicated to exploiting these fruits. They’ll show up with a large group - children, friends, family - and systematically pick everything clean to fill their buckets. It’s really disappointing because they clearly don’t need that much, there’s nothing left for others, and there’s nothing left for wildlife. The worst thing is they usually don’t pay any attention to whether the fruit is ready to be harvested or not - they just grab it all - and that means they’re not likely to get something tasty even for themselves. But there is a mindset to get them before anyone else does, so they take them anyways. Personally I think it is better if these aren’t mapped out, so at least locals who are invested in their community have a chance to pick them responsibly. These maps end up just being used by the exploitative people.

umpalumpaaa

7 hours ago

And unfortunately the website has several entries that are in nature reserves where picking is absolutely not allowed. I mailed the owner of the website to let them know.

emj

6 hours ago

Do you have examples of nature reserves where this is not allowed. Here there are always rules and they vary alot between the reserves, but mostly you are allowed to pick fruits. Digging, breaking sticks and collecting rocks is forbidden almost everywhere.

I ask because this would be an interesting data to have in Openstreetmap or Wikidata, so you can easily know what rules govern what nature reserve.

tokai

7 hours ago

Cool map. But in Copenhagen there are so many toxic lots that I would never take fruit from any tree within the city limits.

senortumnus

7 hours ago

That’s interesting. Leftover from industrial era? Any specific contaminants that you would expect to find in the city soil?

Physkal

5 hours ago

Not many places in the US.

bdjsiqoocwk

9 hours ago

Does this use OSM? Does anyone understand how to integrate your own data with OSM (like this project does) without having to actually add it to OSM?

pastage

8 hours ago

Leaflet lets you add POIs on a OSM base layer map, you can also extract information from OSM about trees and bushes. If you use dumped data from OSM your data will be considered opendata as well so merging them will mean that you can not prevent other people from using you data.

In short: You do a overpass turbo query to dump data from OSM and import it into sqlite, build a GIS index, serve it as geojson, display that on a slippymap with leafletjs and write an end point to update the data.

nemo44x

10 hours ago

People will use this to systematically harvest what they can and sell it or its byproducts. Tragedy of the commons, etc.

IshKebab

10 hours ago

Yeah in my experience most people don't like giving up the location of public apple trees etc. so they can harvest them themselves anyway.

kragen

8 hours ago

better systematically harvested and sold than fallen to the ground and rotted

starkparker

6 hours ago

Even better when done without profit as a motive, like community volunteer efforts such as https://www.portlandfruit.org/

kragen

5 hours ago

that's better if it works better, but often profit is what works better as a motive. ultimately what matters is that the fruit finds its way to hungry mouths—and that those mouths are human mouths and not rat mouths!

systematic harvesting is much better at that; whatever kind of point-scoring exercise people engage in on the way is irrelevant

blackeyeblitzar

8 hours ago

Animals will eat those or the composting of the food simply returns nutrients to the environment

kragen

7 hours ago

i don't want the rats in my neighborhood to return those nutrients to the environment, and i don't like tracking composting fruit into my apartment, though i guess if parrots eat the fruits while they're still on the tree that's okay