Twitter banned me after publishing the JD Vance Dossier

76 pointsposted 13 hours ago
by slantedview

41 Comments

codexb

12 hours ago

The journalist here is not being entirely truthful. While much of the information that the campaign used to vet JD Vance was public, not all of it was, and the internal comments are definitely not public information.

It's a bit like saying hacked internal emails are public if they are discussing public topics.

The reason the media generally doesn't publish hacked documents is so they don't create an incentive for people to hack documents. It's the same reason why many media companies won't publish pictures and sometimes names of mass shooters and child suicides.

You're free to do it. But many media companies don't do it for legitimate practical, ethical, and moral reasons.

clipsy

12 hours ago

> You're free to do it. But many media companies don't do it for legitimate practical, ethical, and moral reasons.

But Twitter’s current owner has explicitly attacked the media for exactly this reason, and has claimed repeatedly and self-aggrandizingly to value free speech above such concerns.

codexb

12 hours ago

He attacked them for censoring opposing viewpoints for political and ideological reasons. That's a far cry from hacked personal information. I admit, it is a bit of a grey line, but neither of these cases are particularly close to the line.

ahahahahah

12 hours ago

He attacked Twitter in the past for banning someone for the exact same reason.

Musk was one of the people who was unhappy with the decision to ban links to the Post’s story. “Suspending the Twitter account of a major news organization for publishing a truthful story was obviously incredibly inappropriate,” Musk wrote of the decision on the story in April 2022. He even invited former Rolling Stone pundit Matt Taibbi to examine internal documents showing how Twitter handled the decision. (In the course of tweeting his conclusions, Taibbi exposed the email addresses of Dorsey and Representative Ro Khanna.)

codexb

10 hours ago

Yes. WaPo didn’t post the contents of the laptop. They reported on the fbi report that hunters laptop was turned in with incriminating information.

It’s the difference between reporting on a hack (though Hunters laptop wasn’t hacked) and releasing the hack.

clipsy

12 hours ago

Info from Hunter Biden’s laptop was a focus of the “Twitter Files” and explicitly involved information being taken unethically and possibly illegally from a laptop at a repair shop.

EricE

12 hours ago

All he had to do was redact things like his home address, phone number and social security number. Doing so wouldn't have affected any of the other content and also wouldn't have run afoul of Twitters policies.

Talk about grandstanding over nothing. Then again being an ass gets you more attention so mission accomplished!

Molitor5901

11 hours ago

It's political, which means even if it's unethical, and maybe even illegal, some people will feel it's deserved and support it.

readthenotes1

12 hours ago

Silly me. I thought the reason why the media did not publish hacked documents it's because it is difficult to verify their provenance.

mmooss

12 hours ago

> X says that I’ve been suspended for “violating our rules against posting private information,” citing a tweet linking to my story about the JD Vance dossier.

Be aware that it fits an ongoing to campaign to limit free speech, especially in regard to goverment officials and public figures. They want to make it illegal or impossible to criticize government or powerful people, both of which are the foundations of free speech - those are the most important forms of speech.

They approach it in multiple ways that I'm aware of:

* They want the Supreme Court to change their precedent - as the current court has done many times for other areas of law - in the 1964 New York Times Co. v. Sullivan case, which established that public officials only have a claim if they prove the critical speech was false and also was published with "actual malice"; that is "with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not." At least one of the conservative justices, I forget which one, has encouraged people to bring such a case to the Supreme Court so the justice could rule on it.

* They use or legally harass people into ceasing publication, including by having the state attack them. Examples include the lawsuit against Media Matters. Even if the defendants win, the financial impact can be enormous. Many can't afford to publish criticism.

In the end, everything comes down to politics. Politics makes the law, so it overcomes rule of law. If you don't get involved and make these things change - like our predecessors did to build the freedom the US already enjoys - freedom, including free speech will diminish.

EricE

12 hours ago

It had his home address, phone numbers and social security numbers. A reasonable person would just redact those before publishing and then it wouldn't have been an issue.

addandsubtract

an hour ago

These are all redacted in the current version, including his real estate records.

mmooss

12 hours ago

There could be a bit of validity to the complaint, but don't imagine for a moment that it's not being used to pursue the larger issue.

tacitusarc

8 hours ago

Do you have evidence of this? Because otherwise it seems pretty reasonable to ban someone for posting that kind of information. If someone posted the same data on Kamala or Tim I’d expect to see them banned.

mmooss

4 hours ago

Do I have evidence of Elon Musk's private thoughts? Let me look ...

> it seems pretty reasonable

It seems like overkill to me. Harris's and Wallz's residences are well known.

Sophisticated public manipulators - and I think we can call Musk one of those - of course don't openly discuss it. One way to analyze the action is to look at the outcome: Musk is certainly sophisticated enough to anticipate the outcome and that would factor into his choice. Cui bono?

diebeforei485

13 hours ago

Their rules are fairly clear about hack-and-leak content. A lot of other social media platforms don't allow it either.

themaninthedark

12 hours ago

As far as I know Twitter is still HQ in California and the current laws is:

The legal definition of posting harmful information on the internet under California Penal Code 653.2 is as follows:

You used an electronic communication device to distribute electronically, publish, email, hyperlink or make available for downloading personal identifying information or an electronic message of a harassing nature about another person;

You did so without that person’s consent;

You did so with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear for his/her safety or the safety of his/her immediate family;

You did so for the purpose of imminently causing that other person unwanted physical contact, injury or harassment; andThe personal identifying information or message you shared would be likely to incite or produce that unwanted physical contact, injury or harassment.

mmooss

12 hours ago

That must apply to private people. Obviously you can post leaks about public figures, without their consent, with the intent they be harassed.

That is the most important form of free speech - criticising political candidates.

reedf1

13 hours ago

Free speech on privately owned platforms will always be an illusion at best.

CBLT

12 hours ago

TFA didn't mention what private information was contained in the dossier. Is it his street address? SSN?

pnw

12 hours ago

Yes, his current home address is listed on one of the first pages.

slantedview

12 hours ago

It's also listed on dozens of election websites as part of his FEC filings, and is in no way private.

pnw

12 hours ago

Can you provide a link? I just looked at a few FEC filings for Vance and they list a PO Box or an office in Ohio, not his home address.

leshokunin

11 hours ago

Did it feel like free speech when you got banned?

VFIT7CTO77TOC

13 hours ago

x is a private company and it can do what it wants

n4r9

13 hours ago

It's not that the banning itself is wrong. It highlights the hypocrisy of Musk's claims about free speech.

EricE

12 hours ago

Publishing someone's social security number is "free speech"?

addandsubtract

an hour ago

When everything is supposed to be "free speech", then yes. That's exactly why total free speech is a red herring.

VFIT7CTO77TOC

12 hours ago

if you don't like it then make your own platform

n4r9

12 hours ago

I've never liked Twitter and have never used it. Doesn't mean I can't criticise it!

klyrs

12 hours ago

And we can say what we want about that.

Zak

12 hours ago

Few dispute that, though it's fair to point out the hypocrisy of its owner who loudly champions free speech on social media platforms when it suits him to do so.

mksreddy

13 hours ago

Free speech for his (Elon: Right Wing) ideology, not for everyone.

klyrs

13 hours ago

It's the Big Lie time and time again: cry wolf about your opponents doing something you want to do in the near future. Keep talking about it, and get louder when you start doing it yourself, and your loyalists will keep looking the other way.

aeturnum

12 hours ago

Of course you write this post to have the discourse - but it is Elon's website and he can do what he wants with it I suppose. I don't think any era of Twitter has had very consistent moderation decisions and I don't think it matters much in any era - either now or when conservatives were making hay about it around covid. It seems clear that the prevailing political views of the owner are influential, but not dictatorial, and that's about as good as it gets in our world.

That said I am all for yelling at elon to try to get him to change the policies, which works a lot of the time, and seems like a pretty reasonable way to manage the margins of these things.

christkv

13 hours ago

Now do it for the other VP candidate let's see what happens. If your theory is right he should not ban it right?

eat_veggies

12 hours ago

only one of the vp candidates has a dossier like this

readthenotes1

12 hours ago

Are you saying Harris's team didn't vet Walz, or that the Iranians didn't acquire and distribute the findings?

mcphage

11 hours ago

Iirc the Iranians attempted to, but were unsuccessful. I have no doubt that the Harris campaign wrote up documents about each of their potential VPs.

eeasss

13 hours ago

His holyness Elon