Drinking 3 cups of coffee linked to preventing multiple diseases

39 pointsposted 14 hours ago
by Stratoscope

48 Comments

shswkna

12 hours ago

This is published by a website that needs to be visited in order to justify its existence. Like the majority of the web these days.

Small signals in study data are overhyped and extrapolated to make general sweeping conclusions.

I’m not saying coffee is either bad, or a miracle substance.

I am saying everyone and everything on this planet craves relevance.

pulvinar

12 hours ago

> doesn’t necessarily mean you should start — especially if you’re sensitive to caffeine or have been advised against it by your doctor.

So those who may be prone to heart problems are advised to not drink caffeine, and then we find that those who don't drink caffeine are more prone to heart problems. Yep.

jsight

11 hours ago

That's something that I've worried about with these studies. Even if doctors don't warn patients, friends and family will sometimes actively discourage coffee and caffeine consumption among those with high blood pressure.

It undoubtedly has some effect, but hopefully the study has controlled for that.

smegsicle

11 hours ago

not drinking coffee leads to a vicious cycle that kills thousands each year

vouaobrasil

11 hours ago

Drinking 3 cups of coffee might also make you more prone to doing things when you should be resting, staying in the wage-slave 9-5 grind for longer, etc. Personally, I think it's better to rest.

poincaredisk

11 hours ago

9-5 is for amateurs, I prefer 9-11

p1esk

11 hours ago

Very true, once you're senior enough, couple of hours of focused effort is enough to make decent (visible) progress.

acureau

12 hours ago

Coffee seems to be healthy today, unhealthy tomorrow, and healthy again next week. Though if there's any truth in these kinds of studies I've gotta be damn near invulnerable

esafak

10 hours ago

Two doctors discussing a patient who has been revived out of cryostatis after many years:

    Dr. Melik: This morning for breakfast he requested something called "wheat germ, organic honey and tiger's milk."
    Dr. Aragon: [chuckling] Oh, yes. Those are the charmed substances that some years ago were thought to contain life-preserving properties.
    Dr. Melik: You mean there was no deep fat? No steak or cream pies or... hot fudge?
    Dr. Aragon: Those were thought to be unhealthy... precisely the opposite of what we now know to be true.
    Dr. Melik: Incredible.
-- Sleeper (1973)

tim333

3 hours ago

As a coffee drinker I take a mild interest in these things and I'm not sure I've seen any studies saying it's bad for you in the last few decades. Is there one you know?

People love to find problems with stuff so I'd imagine if there were problems they'd be publicised. My intuition is coffee doesn't actually have much effect on health either way.

jsight

11 hours ago

I feel like I rarely see anything negative about it, TBH. The last one that I remember reading was actually about decaf, due specifically to the decafeination process.

magicalhippo

12 hours ago

A bit of low-level background radiation is good for your health too...

Is it just as simple as exposing yourself to enough poison/radiation to kill weaker pathogens but not enough to hurt yourself too much?

ein0p

11 hours ago

Same as eggs, butter, meat, etc, etc. The only constant seems to be that refined carbs are basically prepackaged obesity if you’re lucky or diabetes if you aren’t.

hombre_fatal

11 hours ago

I think social media and pop journalists flip flop on those issues, but the converging lines of evidence over the last half century have not.

It just seems like the evidence is back and forth when one tweet summarizes a mendelian randomization study on LDL cholesterol and CVD outcomes, and then the next tweet is a guy with one million followers explaining how butter cures cancer. But it shouldn't be very confusing once you filter out the latter in favor of the former.

yumraj

13 hours ago

I’m probably committing sacrilege but I drink a lot of instant coffee. Sorry…

It’s never clear if these coffee benefits apply to instant coffee or only to fresh brewed coffee. Has anyone see/read anything on instant coffee and health benefits?

This study refers to caffeine so it should apply. But coffee has numerous other compounds.. I think even decaf coffee is beneficial.

addaon

12 hours ago

I think the ethics committee would block any large-cohort study that required participants to drink instant coffee.

triyambakam

12 hours ago

Hey! I drink instant coffee too. And I drink it room temperature. I'm not usually wanting to spend time with the coffee ritual, though I do enjoy it. So scooping some freeze dried coffee powder and having it ready to drink right away is nice.

My favorite brand is Mt Hagen. I tried Starbucks instant and found it really gross - way too sour.

varl

6 hours ago

James Hoffmann has a video where he tastes different instant coffee. Subjective, but could serve as inspiration for products to try of good quality (and what to stay away from):

https://youtube.com/watch?v=8cIqLvJz8VM

yumraj

8 hours ago

Cool never tried Mt Hagen

I’m not too picky with my instant coffee, which I drink in the morning, microwave water and off you go, or when in a hurry/lazy which is most of the times. I usually go with Nescafé Taster’s choice or sometimes Bru with milk (Indian instant coffee with 30% chicory)

To make up for my coffee sins, I also roast green coffee at home and use either Hario V60 or go the espresso route.

mixmastamyk

12 hours ago

Cold brew concentrate is easy as well and don't have to dissolve powder.

EPWN3D

12 hours ago

There's good instant coffee these days. Both Sightglass and Ritual Roasters instant coffees are excellent. They're great to have on hand when you're staying at a hotel that only had a Keurig in the room.

yumraj

8 hours ago

Thanks, will look for them. Where do you get it?

moozilla

12 hours ago

Here's a similar study that answers your question: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10282813/

> Drinking 1–5 cups/day of ground or instant coffee (but not decaffeinated coffee) was associated with a significant reduction in incident arrhythmia, including AF. The lowest risk was at 4–5 cups/day for ground coffee (HR 0.83; 95% CI [0.76–0.91]; P <0.0001) and 2–3 cups/day for instant coffee (HR, 0.88; 95% CI [0.85–0.92]; P <0.0001).

tl;dr Yes it has similar benefits, maybe slightly worse than "ground coffee" (I wish they had broken it down more granularly)

yumraj

8 hours ago

Thanks, exactly what I was looking for.

Interesting that lowest risk is at 4-5 cups for ground but 2-3 for instant.

karunamurti

12 hours ago

Instant coffee like Nescafé is just freeze dried brewed coffee no? But the problem with those instant coffee is they're all dark roast and overextracted to hide the disgusting taste.

TeaBrain

12 hours ago

When I used to drink instant, I'd drink either a Nescafe light roast instant or Jacobs Cronat Gold, also a light roast instant.

yumraj

8 hours ago

Nescafé Tasters choice is lighter roast than the default Nescafé.

LegitShady

12 hours ago

I go a step further. I don't use milk for anything except coffee, so I bought a bag of lactose free skim milk powder and keep it in the freezer. I throw a teaspoon or two of that into a cup, mix in some tap water, stir it until the powder is dissolved and I have a little milk, then throw in either brewed coffee or some coffee crystals and hot water, depending on what I have on hand.

Milk powder is tastier than milk and keeps better in the freezer.

yumraj

8 hours ago

If I may suggest, try condensed milk. It’s even tastier since it has a little caramel flavor. Vietnamese “iced coffee over condensed milk” is amazing, try it if you haven’t at a Vietnamese restaurant.

jiveturkey

13 hours ago

isn't instant one of those words that negates what follows?

instagib

2 hours ago

your daily cup of coffee (or three) [200-300 mg caffeine] Type 2 diabetes, heart disease, and stroke.

fortyguy40

11 hours ago

Drinking coffee gives me pain below my right rib. Has anyone had this issue?

MathMonkeyMan

11 hours ago

No, but if I take caffeine, pseudoephedrine, and diphenhydramine at the same time, my left armpit sweats profusely. Just the left one.

jondwillis

11 hours ago

Dehydration maybe, gastrointestinal issues maybe. If it concerns you, go see a doc!

dave333

10 hours ago

For me, a morning coffee seems to trigger a BM about an hour later - wondering if that could explain any benefits seen in the study.

twostorytower

11 hours ago

A classic case of correlation but not causation. People who drink 3 cups of coffee are more likely to be active, working professionals. That is probably linked to better healthcare and lifestyles. Just a guess.

poincaredisk

11 hours ago

And people with health problems are more likely to not drink coffee.

This is similar to alcohol studies, where a small amount of alcohol is better than not drinking anything at (because healthy people with no bad experiences related to alcohol usually drink a bit, even if it's a glass of wine once a month. Zero alcohol policy is usually something people with health problems out history of alcohol abuse do)

bluSCALE4

11 hours ago

Brought to you by big coffee.

hn_throwaway_99

11 hours ago

I just read the article, not the actual study, but I could think of about 10 things that put this in the "correlation is not causation" bucket if potential confounding variables aren't closely controlled for. Things like:

1. Wealth. Wealth has been shown to be positively correlated with a myriad of better health outcomes. Are moderate coffee drinkers wealthier than average?

2. Job type. Are moderate coffee drinkers more likely to be office workers compared to blue collar. Or vice versa?

3. Exercise. Do people who drink moderate amounts of coffee exercise more?

4. Caloric intake. Do people who drink moderate amounts of coffee also eat fewer calories? Of course, with this one it's hard to tease out cause and effect - can coffee have a bit of an appetite suppressant effect?

I've just learned over time that these types of nutritional studies often turn out to be wrong. Remember when we thought moderate drinking was good for you? Turns out that nearly all those studies were wrong due to other confounding variables (e.g. drinkers tend to be more social and there are a ton of health benefits from being social), and now the consensus belief is that alcohol itself is always a net negative, even in small amounts.

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11 hours ago

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RIMR

11 hours ago

Wow, this site was seen on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert. Very reputable... /s