The White Collar Apocalypse Is Nigh

28 pointsposted 13 hours ago
by sfryxell

25 Comments

parpfish

11 hours ago

The article describes these elites as arrogant overachievers that expect the lions share of success.

However, from the “elite” kids I’ve met I find it far more likely that they are suffering from imposter syndrome and will do anything to chase external validation to soothe it.

The children coming from these status driven institutions are less villain and more victim

sfryxell

11 hours ago

Thats definitely how the article from the times reads. What is the point of higher learning, it's a gross mutation for it to become an ever tightening noose of status scarcity

deepfriedchokes

9 hours ago

> The children coming from these status driven institutions are less villain and more victim.

Why not both? No one is born abusive.

sfryxell

13 hours ago

How do we build our perfect future with desperate scared elites worried they won't get to achieve

bediger4000

12 hours ago

This is Peter Turchin's "elite overproduction".

golergka

12 hours ago

That's usually how you get bloody revolutions on your hands. French revolutionaries and Bolsheviks were not factory workers — they were disgruntled lawyers and journalists.

magicink81

11 hours ago

Yup, and right on time we have a fresh update to their revolutionary ideology into which a majority of people with degrees have been indoctrinated.

hamster77

11 hours ago

Marxism is not fresh

golergka

7 hours ago

There's a new update to it.

hindsightbias

11 hours ago

You are all history majors now, regardless of what the diploma says

throwaway_13140

12 hours ago

Imagine being so anti-AI that you won’t even use spellcheck! Bravo?

sfryxell

11 hours ago

Spelling checked by claude. Thanks for the reminder. imagine years ago I would just be left to wallow in my ignorance.

user

11 hours ago

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jauntywundrkind

13 hours ago

> We can use AI right now as another boogey man to light fires of desperation under the ass's of our over achievers.

Stellar point. And I think this is where most ink and tears will be spilled, as we focus up up up to the archons on capital that entrap us so.

And yet.

What's really notable to me is that we don't have smart amazing interesting people in the world who kind of float along, with cheap rent & interesting times in cities.

My gut read is that the past couple hundred years have, at their better points, been at least in part due to people having some graces of circumstance to humble a long until they happen into or start something really neat. And we've lost all the space where that happens. Life is too expensive to figure things out over time at, at this point.

The second order effects are even worse than the primary. We don't have people who delayed and deferred and eventually had something click, that they had the runway and low rents to keep whiddling away on, until it happened.

Humans are absolute masters of organic development, of sticking to hobbiest and interests for a long long time, and that used toean something. But we lack the grace to let that happen. As consolidation after consolidation sweeps across corporatedom, we are ever more desperate for what last few niches remain where we'll get at least some kind of recognition and financial reward for entailing ourselves to that giant enterprise, that almighty buck.

I don't really know. Maybe things aren't as wildly tipping over as they feel. But I think the lifeblood comes from within, is an amazing spirited force, and it's so rarely able to be listened for & fed the sunlight time and twiddling to blossom.

Sure there are winners taking all, and that's rotten and stinks and is gross and deserves screeds, and we should be mad. But I'm most afraid we forget what does work, what did work, that class based conflict distracts from holistic improvement of our societies. I've tried here to write what I think is some of our best sides, what allows art and culture and exploration to flourish, and move us, and it pains me so much to see how much harder it is, how daunting it is, to keep a roof over your head in someplace with other interesting people, and with health insurance.

We absolute see AI as a campaign of fright, to compel us in. Rhetoric to amplify the stakes & stress the need to be ever on the march forwards, or perish.

But to fall into this narrative is to let it ensnare us. Resistance only requires living good lives. 8 don't disbelieve in conflict but real victory will also require something further, something nurturing.

elliotec

12 hours ago

How much do you know about "the world"? That's a serious generalization. Lots of cities out there, lots of people.

Maybe it's the systems that prevent us from seeing their efforts.

jauntywundrkind

11 hours ago

Precisely part of what's so horrifying about today is that bigger and bigger companies come to overarch and dominate the scene. There's less and less variety of world left as the largess-ness of the world sucks everyone into itself.

You're welcome to throw your doubting shade. Generally though I appreciate it if you wanted up & say something, make some conjecture of your own, rather than just belittling those who do offer up what view & perspective they have.

sfryxell

13 hours ago

"runway and low rents to keep whiddling away on, until it happened "

That's exactly it. Living here in the city. I have cheap rent $680 decent work and the room and time to spend my day coding on projects that I feel like matter.

The projects don't feel fully baked, but getting closer right. I just need the time and space to work on them.

well said.

digdugdirk

12 hours ago

Holy smokes, what city are you getting rent for less than $700?

invalidptr

12 hours ago

4 people splitting rent on a house will get you very nice accommodations for 600-700 in most of the US, even some coastal cities.

sfryxell

12 hours ago

yep 4 people in san francisco. I mean I've lived in the city since the 90's. and eventually you get to know people who value decency over rent. Also, tiny room.

Avicebron

12 hours ago

Can you name some? I'm very curious because that was low even for a tiny little college town several hours from any coast ~10+ years ago.

user

12 hours ago

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golergka

11 hours ago

A two-bedroom in a modern high-rise will cost you about $300 a month in Nha Trang, Vietnam. Quite a developed city, and, according to a few friends of mine, very pleasant to live in.

obiefernandez

12 hours ago

What you despair for exists in places like Mexico City, just saying...