maleldil
9 months ago
"Invest in projects, not papers." is the typical thing you hear from late-stage researchers that forgot what it's like to be a PhD student or early post-doc. We have to publish as much as we can, or our supervisors and committees won't allow us to progress in our careers.
I can't spend a year on topics that seem interesting but that might not yield papers if they don't work. From the bureaucratic point of view, which is almost all that matter for junior researchers, that would be simply time in the bin.
I would love to spend years on something I care about without caring how many papers it will generate, but if I do that, I won't have a career.
nsagent
9 months ago
I actually did invest in projects rather than papers and I definitely feel I paid the price. It's the main reason I opted for a postdoc rather than going straight on the academic market: the quality of my research was high, but the number of publications I have is too low to be competitive. At least that's what my PhD advisor said and I honestly agree, especially after speaking with people who just landed tenure-track jobs and more senior professors.
a123b456c
9 months ago
What I have to say may come across as harsh but I only intend it to be helpful.
If you invested in projects, and the investments did not pay off, I see three likely explanations.
First, maybe your investment function is miscalibrated.
Second, maybe your investment function is well calibrated but your time horizon is too long.
Third, maybe you are unlucky.
I have no insights into what happened in your case, I don't even know what field your are in.
But, case 1 suggests you may be unsuccessful in academia.
Case 2 suggests possible success after adjustment to more immediate reward.
Case three suggests possible success after a difficult recovery process and further investments.
None are ideal paths but cases 2 and 3 suggest possible recovery strategies if you are deeply committed to academia. The optimality of such an approach is highly subjective.
You likely should not feel like academia is the only available path, if you do that is a red flag that something is amiss.
thfuran
9 months ago
What about 4: Investing in projects over papers is a fundamentally bad early career strategy in modern academia?
flobosg
9 months ago
> I won't have a career
in academia.
Razengan
9 months ago
This whole system seems like something out of a bizarre comedic parody of human society, except it's real.
anonymoushn
9 months ago
I don't think these big AI labs give you much credit for being a PhD dropout
Der_Einzige
9 months ago
They do... if you have NeurIPS/ACL/EMNLP publications! :)
maleldil
9 months ago
Even then, there are too many PhDs for few spots in academia and top-tier labs, so there's no way a PhD dropout could compete unless they have some other kind of experience.
Also, it's not that hard to publish in high-end NLP conferences, so it doesn't say much.
Der_Einzige
9 months ago
I watched a startup give an NLP AI engineer with only 1 workshop paper at ACL get a 150K remote offer less than a month ago. This person is in the middle of their BS program right now.
It is most certainly not easy to publish top AI research (unless you are doing unethical things). I repeat, if you have a NeurIPS main conference publication, you don't need to have a degree for a top AI lab to at least consider you.
If your experiences are different, my guess is that you're not an American.
maleldil
9 months ago
No, not an American. Did you mean that Americans have lower standards than Europeans in this respect? I'm confused about your last sentence.
Anyway, my note was specifically about publishing NLP research at ACL conferences (ACL, NAACL, EMNLP, etc.), where publishing mediocre work hasn't been difficult. Just go through the proceedings, and you'll see that's the case. I don't know about NeurIPS.
Nevermark
9 months ago
> No, not an American. Did you mean that Americans have lower standards than Europeans in this respect? I'm confused about your last sentence.
Perhaps the US has more flexible hiring standards? Given all the school dropout success stories here. As apposed to lower standards.