He didn't build much himself, so where could he be Tony Stark?

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Anecdotally, the number of Telsas that have popped up in my deep red state is astounding. My own brother bought a Tesla Y a few months ago, then my father bought one just this month. I go to the gym and can pretty reliably count 15+ Teslas in the parking lot. I see cybertrucks almost daily now, whereas a year ago, I had never seen one in person. I am also planning on buying a Tesla next year, after I get my solar system up and going. We republicans may not do these things because we're worried about global warming or climate change, but I can tell you we certainly care about air quality and cool technology, at least where I'm from.

No they want big trucks modded to blow extra smoke so they can own the libs.

People on twitter told Elon he was nuts the very first time he started toying with conservative ideas. Just jam that whole hand in your mouth and bite the wrist that feeds you. Great idea bud. He’s a fucking idiot for having not listened. Which any of his dozen children also could have told you.

It's pretty amazing how much they really like Elon (enough to put him on a billboard with Trump) but they'll still shit talk EVs and solar power with abandon.

Because according to Trump EVs don't work.

Many of these cars don't pass western safety standards and can never be sold in Europe.

There are some that are Tesla competitors, but it is widely believed (there is not enough evidence to show conclusively) that none of the Chinese manufacturers make money on selling EVs.

The situation is similar to that of Rivian or VW. The Rivian is a spectacular car but it is expensive to make that Rivian loses 10s of thousands everytime they sell a car. VW is also losing money on every EV they sell. If you buy one you're getting a good deal, but edging the company closer to bankruptcy at the same time. Buy the car avoid the stock.

BYD refuses to give financials on their pure EV profit numbers. They sell a ton of hybrids and ICE cars and eek out a very small profit. Anyone who pays attention to the space must ask themselves why they don't boast about their pure EV margins? It's likely because they are losing money.

Tesla on the other hand has positive gross margins on their cars and have since the day they started selling the Model S. That is the reason why the stock value is so high, because Tesla is the most efficient EV maker on earth by a significant margin. They can lower prices further than any competition and remain profitable.

There's no proof of these cars even existing, while we all see Tesla's every day on the road.

Yes, correct.

What is?

Everything is an alternative until you weight features+performance/price

I really liked the Ioniq 5 on a test drive, and my neighbours who lease one really like it too.

The Renault Scenic e-tech (maybe not sold in US?) also has a longer range than a Model Y and for less money. It seems generally pretty nice.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/renault/scenic/357432/new-rena...

I'm suspect of your range claim, do you have a source?

No, it's got nothing to do with Tesla. European manufacturers are seeing huge drops in sales too. ACEA is a European auto industry trade group:

https://www.acea.auto/press-release/european-auto-industry-c...

See the Notes For Editors section: "The market decline is affecting many brands, including and beyond ACEA members, across the board (ACEA August car registration data)"

All other EV manufacturers have short records compared to Tesla. I also think Tesla is suffering from its own success. People are getting tired of the same designs and want to try something different. If not for extensive government BS, almost nobody would be buying EVs at all because they are impractical for most consumers.

> but I wouldn't trust that my kid could find and use that on their own

I’m not sure how old your kid is, but you’re making something that is very simple in reality into something that is very complicated in your mind.

It’s a lever. People who don’t know to press the button pull it up all the time. It’s the most obvious thing in the world.

I will also add that “kid-proof catastrophic car crash back up door opening options” rarely rate high on make or break features for cars.

If anyone takes this concern seriously, I strongly recommend you take a test drive and check it out for yourself. There is a ton of FUD around teslas that largely seems to be spread by folks who have little or no actual experience with them.

I own a model y. It’s not perfect, but the imperfections are rarely the ones you read about on HN.

Almost all that stuff is misremembered or misreported.

I mostly agree. Tesla cars have been surpassed quality-wise for quite some time now by the established manufacturers from Europe and Asia. But Tesla's charger network is still a boon. Charging on the road is really a hassle with all the different networks trying to lock you in. In Europe AFIR [1] is going to change that, but it is going to take some time.

[1] https://transport.ec.europa.eu/transport-themes/clean-transp...

There really aren't.

Not forget depreciation... Which for some Porche EVs seem just to be absolutely horrendous.

Finally someone with the bravery to blame the Jews!

I am the last person who would defend Elon or Tesla. They have enough sycophants in this thread alone.

But when you are an employee, especially in current market conditions, you may be subject to working for companies you personally despise. I know I have.

Regular people have rent to pay and mouths to feed, they may not have the luxury of damaging their own well being to defy the retarded billionaire in charge.

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Yes.