The Art of the Brew: Exploring Hops and Other Plant Ingredients That Define Beer

45 pointsposted 4 days ago
by dnetesn

16 Comments

rc5150

2 days ago

Interesting lack of mention around the water profile, which is arguably one of the most important variables in a good beer, in terms of pH, alkalinity, hardness, etc.

jofer

a day ago

I agree, but to be fair, one of the largest roles water chemistry plays is accentuating hop bitterness or dialing it back. Gypsum (CaSO4) will accentuate hops. Calcium Chloride will not as much, but changes mouthfeel and emphasizes malts more. At a basic level, you're changing the ratio of those two to emphasize hop vs malt character. So when discussing hops vs malts, I think it's fine to leave out water chemistry, because it's largely about doing the same thing - emphasizing different aspects of hop vs malt.

Other than that, it's largely a matter of balancing out Ph. Dark roasted malts are more acidic, so you add things to make the water harder (i.e. higher Ph) via relatively neutral-tasting things like CaCO3. Light roasted malts need softer water to stay in the same ideal Ph range (slightly acidic) during the mashing process, and if you go too far out of that range you'll get less than ideal results even with the same mash temps. That's not to say there aren't other aspects, but SO4 vs Cl ratio and overall water hardness for Ph control are the two main "knobs" in water chemistry for brewing.

The more interesting thing is the role water chemistry plays on the regional history of beers. In the past, you couldn't easily alter water chemistry. As a result, you see darker beers dominate where you have limestone aquifers with harder water that's ideal to offset the acid in dark roasted malts (e.g. lots of the UK) and lighter beers dominate where you have softer water in sandstone aquifers that's better for brewing them (e.g. lots of Germany and Czechia). It's hard to make a nice clean pilsner with hard water from a limestone aquifer, and you're not going to make a good porter with soft water from a sandstone aquifer.

So as a geologist, I've always found it kind of neat that geology is a core part of why certain beer styles arise in certain areas.

larsga

2 days ago

That's a weird title. Hops very much do not define beer. Beer was brewed for 12,000 years before hops became common.

smashed

2 days ago

It's a matter of terminology. From my understanding, some 200+ years ago in the UK, ale was used for non-hopped malt beverages and beer was used for hopped malt beverages.

The terms eventually evolved to mean the same thing, as pretty much all brews became hopped.

The interpretation will vary a lot depending on the culture and the century you are digging into.

Some references: https://zythophile.co.uk/2009/12/14/the-long-battle-between-...

Carrok

2 days ago

For those of us born in the past, say 500 years, yes, hops define beer.

jerrysievert

2 days ago

it is currently fresh hop season in the pacific nw. a large number of breweries (and homebrewers, I have a fresh hop saison finishing right now) pick the fresh hops off of the bine and brew with them, imparting the magic of a beer you'll only get to taste once per year if you happen to be in the right place at the right time.

jofer

a day ago

I finally live somewhere where it's possible to grow hops (albeit it not ideal), and I _really_ want to experience brewing with hops straight off the vine! I've always been jealous of y'all in the Pacific NW in that regard (hard to beat it as a beer region). Fresh hops are amazing.

jerrysievert

21 hours ago

just remember, use about 5x as much by weight due to them being "wet", and you should be fine from there!

crdrost

2 days ago

If you liked this, the Penny Arcade folks have a nice video series where they brew a bunch of different things and discuss tradeoffs and flavor profiles and all that. It is based on their D&D streams that are called "Acquisitions Inc." and so it is fittingly called "Acquisitions Intoxicated." Each episode really does just feel like a chill hour or two with some nerdy friends.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjZRIC6PMEFlJgsGXgiBW...

indoordin0saur

2 days ago

It's really quite amazing the array of flavors that hops can be bred to have. Not only can you breed in all manner of floral or fruity notes, some of the new ones have flavors that are completely novel in a way they can't be directly compared to any other foods. It makes me wonder if there are flavor sensors in the nose that just sit idle for an entire lifetime without ever being stimulated.

bitcoin_anon

2 days ago

Cannabis is similar, and there we recognize that the odor compounds have psychoactive effects. In fact, we have some viroids that have crossed over from hops.

BenjiWiebe

2 days ago

Any recommendations on ways to enjoy the flavors of hops in a non-alcoholic manner?

tsol

2 days ago

There are some hops based drinks that I enjoy, hop water is the most popular one. They have a few different kinds, some are very strong with the hoppy flavor and some less. They have different varieties with different flavor profiles. I like their main one, hop wtr, though because it has some adaptogens that together with the hops is very relaxing.

There are hop sodas but I've never found them to represent the flavors in a good way. A little bit better are alcohol free IPAs.

jofer

a day ago

Honestly, I'd recommend some of the NA beers that are being brewed these days over the hop sodas / hop waters. Hop water has no balance, and hops are all about being balanced out with something sweet/malty. NA beer has come a _long_ way from the days of O'doul's. Sierra Nevada Trail Pass is a personal favorite of mine when it comes to good, hoppy, non-alcoholic beers. Lots of classic "C" hop flavors (i.e. somewhat piney hop varieties from the NW US).

But if you don't like beer and just want to get a sense of what hops are about, look at some of the options from Hoplark or similar. Those are single-hop hop waters that focus on showcasing the flavor of a specify variety. They're a good sense of the flavors, but I still find hop waters in general to be unbalanced and a bit hard to drink.