cjflog
a month ago
Currently a one-man side project:
Last year PlasticList discovered that 86% of food products they tested contain plastic chemicals—including 100% of baby food tested. The EU just lowered their "safe" BPA limit by 20,000x. Meanwhile, the FDA allows levels 100x higher than what Europe considers safe.
This seemed like a solvable problem.
Laboratory.love lets you crowdfund independent testing of specific products you actually buy. Think Consumer Reports meets Kickstarter, but focused on detecting endocrine disruptors in your yogurt, your kid's snacks, whatever you're curious about.
Here's how it works: Find a product (or suggest one), contribute to its testing fund, get detailed lab results when testing completes. If a product doesn't reach its funding goal within 365 days, automatic refund. All results are published openly. Laboratory.love uses the same methodology as PlasticList.org, which found plastic chemicals in everything from prenatal vitamins to ice cream. But instead of researchers choosing what to test, you do.
The bigger picture: Companies respond to market pressure. Transparency creates that pressure. When consumers have data, supply chains get cleaner.
Technical details: Laboratory.love works with ISO 17025-accredited labs, test three samples from different production lots, detect chemicals down to parts per billion. The testing protocol is public.
So far a couple dozen products have received some funding, six products have been fully funded (five product results published, the sixth is at the lab as I write this!)
You can browse products, add your own, or just follow specific items you're curious about: https://laboratory.love
oidar
a month ago
Looking at the tofu reports, I really don't know what to make of them. Is there a way to give more meaning to them for the average person? Also, I'd love to see a sort by "almost funded" option.
om42
a month ago
Second this, it would be useful to have a "EU safe" label or similar to help me understand if 635.8 DEHP is a good thing or bad.
cjflog
a month ago
Thanks for the feedback. Yes, data readability is on the roadmap!
hotpotat
a month ago
Are you open to code contributions? I’d like to see this sooner than later and would be willing to help.
zenmac
a month ago
Or "NON-GMO" label would very extremely helpful too.
philipallstar
a month ago
That seems somewhat less useful.
XajniN
a month ago
Only for the scientifically challenged.
cjflog
a month ago
Thanks for the feedback. Yes, data readability is on the roadmap!
oidar
a month ago
Your blog doesn't seem to expose an RSS feed - I'd like to follow your progress.
abrookewood
a month ago
I love this idea. I imagine it could be extended to other types of testing - for example, I've always wished there was a way to more readily verify whether the contents of vitamins were as specified on the label.
pants2
a month ago
Consumer Lab does this testing. It's great, you just have to pay for a membership.
abrookewood
a month ago
Thank you - had no idea.
mr_briggs
a month ago
I LOVE this idea. Tangentially, a more pimitive case: in trying to recycle or reuse jars or carboard containers food comes in, I wish there was a simple service for ranking brands. For example, some jam jars have labels that can be immediatey removed - others tear and stick to the jar. Similarly, some brands use excessive plastics and packaging, others less so.
crubier
a month ago
I love this!
I keep telling my euro-friends that food and health regulation could potentially be enforced by the free market more effectively than by corruptible government, and this is a perfect example of this.
I'd want to see all products I can buy in there, with all possible chemical, ingredients and nutrients, and clear indications of good/bad, a little bit like in Yuka. You should partner with them maybe even!
hiimkeks
a month ago
1. This doesn't seem to enforce anything
2. The "more free" market in the US seems to have produced worse food, based on what I am reading here
I guess the words "could" and "potentially" are doing quite a bit of heavy lifting here.
Either way, I agree it's a cool project! The transparency is needed, on both sides of the pond.
crubier
a month ago
I agree "enforce" is a poor choice of words. It does not need to be "enforced" using state violence if any consumer can access facts with such transparency. What's missing today is this level of transparency with which the market will just naturally benefit to producer of sane and safe goods in a much more natural way.
Also, speaking of the "more free market in the US", my answer is that you don't hate capitalism, you hate crony capitalism.
retsibsi
a month ago
> you don't hate capitalism, you hate crony capitalism
What distinguishes this from 'you don't hate socialism, you just hate every so-called socialist government'? I know this seems like lazy smartarsery, but I'm genuinely curious whether you think we have real-world examples of countries doing capitalism right -- and, if not, why that's not a bad sign in the same way that a dearth of examples of socialist success stories is a bad sign.
CaptainOfCoit
a month ago
Wow, great idea, simple website and hopefully a positive impact, not often you see all three in one project :) Good job!
I'm guessing it's limited to US products and US labs? Would love something similar in Europe and/or EU, but it isn't clear if you're limited to US/North America right now, would be nice if it was a bit clearer up front :)
cjflog
a month ago
Yeah, I should add something about this to the FAQ page, thanks for pointing this out.
I'm not technically limited to US products, but I can (currently) only test products that can be shipped TO the United States.
vault
a month ago
Anybody unemployed that would like to try doing this for EU? With the author's green light (or even collaboration)
Wilduck
a month ago
Really cool project. A quick note, I had to dig in your FAQ to find your definition for LOQ:
> "What does 'LOQ' mean in your results? > > Limit of Quantification (LOQ) is the lowest concentration we can reliably measure. Results below LOQ are marked "<LOQ" - this doesn't mean zero, just below our measurement threshold."
IMO this definition should be on every results page, since most of the pages have more LOQs than anything else.
ibaikov
a month ago
This is great. I thought about a different model even before plasticlist: make a subscription and test various products, but people will have a number of upvotes based on their sub streak. They vote for food to test, and then you show results to everyone subbed. Kind of like what examined does, but they do deep dives into medical topics for subs. I think this model will work better than the one you currently have. Awesome project anyways!
It is extremely weird to me that countries don't do that on taxpayers money and show the results publicly, this is what they should do.
cjflog
a month ago
I definitely considered a voting mechanism, but there are a few million active, buyable CPG UPCs in the U.S. at any given time. When conducting some basic market research for this project, I found that most people are only willing to pay to find results about the specific products they care about.
femto
a month ago
A couple of suggestions:
The completed entry should include the date of the test results, so currency can be judged,
Ideally the completed entry should contain a scan of the full test report from each of the accredited laboratories.
cjflog
a month ago
Both good ideas and on the roadmap!
jvican
a month ago
This is great. We definitely need something like this.
Where are the safe levels limits to interpret test results? This would be a small addition that would make any of the results interpretable. I had to open the PlasticList website to get the baseline safe thresholds for each chemical and to do some rough approximations.
konamicode
a month ago
What would be a good strategy to prevent companies from cottoning on to this and gaming the system? They could for example change packaging on production runs for a product that’s undergoing laboratory.love funding campaign.
cjflog
a month ago
It's an interesting thought. Companies do change packaging somewhat regularly. However, the underlying skew usually remains the same. Changing the packaging and/or the SKU is very expensive. It's probably cheaper and more beneficial to your company to do your own Plastic Chemical testing and get ahead of the problem.
infecto
a month ago
My suspicion is if this was gameable, this would be a solved problem by a number of companies. The truth is there is no single simple or even hard step to take, it’s mostly like numerous steps that multiple actors would need to do.
rapatel0
a month ago
I suggest you xpost to Bryan Johnson's Blueprint community. I think might help you get a lot more food tested. That community is probably ICP and also can amplify the message.
cjflog
a month ago
Folks at Blueprint actually reached out to me when they saw this project at the beginning of the year and essentially tried to acquire it by hiring me as a contracted engineer. I politely declined.
Blueprint Quantified, which is linked in the below comments, went live after these conversations. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
tedggh
a month ago
Blueprint is doing exactly this. I got my cat’s food tested there.
NickC25
a month ago
Wow! I'm a food&bev founder and absolutely love what you are doing!
How can I submit my products for testing?
cjflog
a month ago
Products can be submitted anytime here: https://laboratory.love/add-product
It just needs to be a product that's available for purchase.
shoobiedoo
a month ago
This is so incredibly important, well done. The problem of our food being steeped in plastic hits the news here and there, but it should be front and center in my opinion. Testosterone has been plummeting for decades and it scares the heck out of me. The hormone whose job is "form goals, shrug off failure, and try again!" is being destroyed and corporations are given a free pass to pump us full of phthalates and bisphenol. It's infuriating.
01HNNWZ0MV43FF
a month ago
Plastics could be part of it, but three years ago Cleveland Clinic said it could also be weight, sedentary lifestyle, poor sleep, diet, and alcohol
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/declining-testosterone-le...
And anecdotally, I've still been forming goals and shrugging off failure five years into suppressing most of my endogenous testosterone with exogenous estrogen
Have you had your levels checked?
shoobiedoo
a month ago
Well that's great for you, but I was making a generalized statement about the role of testosterone, scientific data showing huge decline, and more and more studies linking it to plastics. We can't just alter a key hormone within the span of a few decades and shrug it off. My levels are great for a 40 year old
And yes there are certainly other factors, but that's not what the original comment was talking about?
rhetocj23
a month ago
Theres a cheaper and more pragmatic solution to this. Just inject T lol.
landsman
a month ago
Really nice project. US regulation of food is a joke. Good luck!
bilekas
a month ago
> US regulation of food is a joke
I don't know if it's a joke, in the EU we do enjoy a lot more strict regulations, good and bad sometimes, but to me the US system just seems more 'reactionary' rather than proactive.
ProofHouse
a month ago
It is ABSOLUTELY a joke. Downloaded Oasis app last night. My ‘Whole Foods’ water, ya turns out I’m drinking levels above what I should of arsenic, amongst other nasty shit
someuser54541
a month ago
Can you talk a bit about the tech stack?
cjflog
a month ago
React + Vite + Tailwind on the frontend; Netlify Functions for backend with Stripe, Supabase, and email integrations; content via Markdown build script; deployed on Netlify; linted with ESLint; JavaScript-only codebase
LLMs wrote 99% of the code.
JaggerJo
a month ago
Cool project!
sfortis
a month ago
Wow... AI told me that all the tested products far exceed the EU limits!
mountainriver
a month ago
Love this! But I’m struggling to understand the results
cjflog
a month ago
Yeah, I will be doing some work to make the results more interpretable.